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by _Ely
Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:52 am
Forum: Christian Evidences & Challenges
Topic: quote from justin martyr
Replies: 11
Views: 8108

Within a biblical framework, similarities between different religions should not be surprising. He same one God created all nations. All nations once knew Him but all turned away from Him. In doing so, they would have still retained some elements of the true faith. Thus, if other religions have conc...
by _Ely
Sat Aug 04, 2007 5:28 am
Forum: Miscellaneous
Topic: Jesus' "pre-existence"
Replies: 17
Views: 6136

Shabbat shalom Derek, I'll file that article and have a read when I get a chance. But I just wanted to challenge something that you said: Speaking of historical context, let's not forget that while it is very important to consider the culture and worldview of a given author, it's equally important t...
by _Ely
Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:35 am
Forum: Christian Evidences & Challenges
Topic: Is Adonai "bound" by His own Torah?
Replies: 9
Views: 5295

Hey Bob, The issue of David and Bathsheba's son does complicate matters! As far substitutionary atonement is concerned, I'm not committed to any one view as yet. I understand from the apostolic writings that Jesus' dying and resurrection was a vital part of God's plans for the salvation of His peopl...
by _Ely
Wed Aug 01, 2007 3:52 pm
Forum: Miscellaneous
Topic: Jesus' "pre-existence"
Replies: 17
Views: 6136

Concerning those "Theophanies" - I wanted to ask a question and make some observations. 1. "And to you seed" = "and to me"? "14 And Jehovah said unto Abram, after Lot's being parted from him, `Lift up, I pray thee, thine eyes, and look from the place where thou [art], northward, and southward, and e...
by _Ely
Wed Aug 01, 2007 3:03 am
Forum: Miscellaneous
Topic: Jesus' "pre-existence"
Replies: 17
Views: 6136

Hi Derek, Hebrews 1:10 is a passage which I just don't have an explanation for. All the other ones though are clearly pointing to the same truth. Some unitarians interpret the Colossians 1 to be referring to the new creation. This may or may not be so, but it seems to me that all of passages ( John ...
by _Ely
Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:22 am
Forum: Miscellaneous
Topic: YHWH "walking" in Eden
Replies: 15
Views: 5684

Sean, I'm not really getting at anything sir! I'm just wandering you guys (those who believe that God literally took on physical form) dilineate between the different texts in question. What elements in a text lead you to conclude a literal theophany is certainly being described?
by _Ely
Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:52 am
Forum: Miscellaneous
Topic: YHWH "walking" in Eden
Replies: 15
Views: 5684

Sean, do you see a similar range of possible meanings in the Eden account?
by _Ely
Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:58 am
Forum: Miscellaneous
Topic: YHWH "walking" in Eden
Replies: 15
Views: 5684

Sean, I didn't understand what you said. Are you saying you take these passages literally or not? I don't see it being about taking it literally or figuratively. I see it being about God appearing in a human form (like in the garden) when He wants to. He did this when He wrestled with Jacob and whe...
by _Ely
Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:56 am
Forum: Christian Evidences & Challenges
Topic: Is Adonai "bound" by His own Torah?
Replies: 9
Views: 5295

Bob, I'm inclined to think that Deuteronomy 24:16 and Ezekiel 18 are talking about different categories. As you say, the Deuteronomy one is clearly referrign to legal punishment for the sins of individuals whereas the Ezekiel passage is referring to Adonai's dealings with Israel. But either way, the...
by _Ely
Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:27 am
Forum: Miscellaneous
Topic: YHWH "walking" in Eden
Replies: 15
Views: 5684

I think I interpret the Genesis passage in a similar way to you Paidion. The passage speaks of "the voice of Adonai Elohim" walking in the garden. Adam Clarke has this: The voice of the Lord - The voice is properly used here, for as God is an infinite Spirit, and cannot be confined to any form, so h...

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