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by Paidion
Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:58 pm
Forum: Anthropology, Hamartiology, Soteriology
Topic: The Role of Hell in the Gospel Message?
Replies: 84
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Re: The Role of Hell in the Gospel Message?

JR wrote:If there is a man who lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put into corrective punishment; they have committed incest, their bloodguiltiness is upon them.13 If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put into corrective punishment. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.14 If there is a man who marries a woman and her mother, it is immorality; both he and they shall be burned with refiners fire and put into corrective punishment, so that there will be no immorality in your midst.15 If there is a man who lies with an animal, he shall surely be put into corrective punishment; you shall also put the animal into corrective punishment' (Lev.20:12-15 NCV)
It must be remembered, JR, that God's revelation to man was progressive. It was misunderstood by the ancient Hebrews. They interpreted God's dealing with sinners as retributive, while Christ reinterpreted God's law as restorative.

I strongly advise reading Derek Flood's book Healing the Gospel

Derek also indicates that the apostle Paul, also, does just as Christ did. Paul was addressing a people who were crying out for God's vengeance against sinners. He argued in his letter to the Romans, that the justice of God is restorative rather than retributive.
Derek Flood wrote:CENTURIES OF READING THE Bible through the culturally dominant lens of punitive justice are hard to shake off. We read the word “justice” in our Bibles and simply assume that it is referring to punitive justice. But if we can manage to take a fresh look at scripture, and in particular the New Testament, what we will find is that the master narrative of the Bible—God’s salvation in Jesus that all of scripture points towards—is rooted in a model of restorative justice. As a case in point, let’s consider the book of Romans, which has long been considered to be Paul’s masterpiece, and one of the clearest articulations of the Christian gospel. A traditional Lutheran reading of Romans understands Paul to be addressing the problem of a guilty conscience: How can guilty sinners facing God’s wrath instead find a gracious God? As important and valid as Luther’s questions may have been in his own context, recent scholarship has drawn attention to the fact that this is not at all Paul’s point. That is, Paul is not addressing people who wanted (like Luther) to escape God’s wrath and judgment. Quite to the contrary, Paul is addressing people who are crying out for judgment, who longed for God to come in wrath and punish sinners. Paul is addressing a religious audience that has embraced the idea of punitive or retributive justice, and arguing against their perspective. In other words, Paul’s argument in Romans is that righteousness comes through restorative justice instead of retributive justice.
Flood, Derek (2012-08-06). Healing the Gospel: A Radical Vision for Grace, Justice, and the Cross (Kindle Locations 284-298). Cascade Books, an Imprint of Wipf and Stock Publishers. Kindle Edition.
by jriccitelli
Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:07 am
Forum: Anthropology, Hamartiology, Soteriology
Topic: The Role of Hell in the Gospel Message?
Replies: 84
Views: 53460

Re: The Role of Hell in the Gospel Message?

Paidion wrote; 'And hell is not synonymous with punishment, though it includes corrective "punishment"

So then you agree hell 'is' synonymous with punishment. I do not know where Jesus warns people of being thrown into corrective punishment, you may have a different version than I've seen.
Sure, death is the ultimate punishment for sin, but God continues to add more penalties (Gen 3:16-19) and God continues for 30 more books to add punishments, again I do not know how you have inserted 'corrective' before all of Gods punishments, this would be interesting, lets try it;
"But from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely suffer corrective punishment" (Gen.2:17. New Corrective Version)

"You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,6 but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.7 "You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not leave him without corrective punishment who takes His name in vain. (Exodus 20:5-7 NCV)

"He who strikes a man so that he dies shall surely be put to corrective punishment.13 But if he did not lie in wait for him, but God let him fall into his hand, then I will appoint you a place to which he may flee.14 If, however, a man acts presumptuously toward his neighbor, so as to kill him craftily, you are to take him even from My altar, that he may go to corrective punishment" (Exodus 21:12-14 NCV)

'Now Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took their respective firepans, and after putting fire in them, placed incense on it and offered strange fire before the LORD, which He had not commanded them.2 And a refiners fire came out from the presence of the LORD and consumed them, and they went off to corrective punishment before the LORD' (Lev.10:1-2 NCV)

'If there is a man who lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put into corrective punishment; they have committed incest, their bloodguiltiness is upon them.13 If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put into corrective punishment. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.14 If there is a man who marries a woman and her mother, it is immorality; both he and they shall be burned with refiners fire and put into corrective punishment, so that there will be no immorality in your midst.15 If there is a man who lies with an animal, he shall surely be put into corrective punishment; you shall also put the animal into corrective punishment' (Lev.20:12-15 NCV)

'Know therefore that the LORD your God, He is God, the faithful God, who keeps His covenant and His lovingkindness to a thousandth generation with those who love Him and keep His commandments;10 but repays those who hate Him to their faces, to destroy them; He will not delay with him who hates Him, He will show them corrective punishment to their face' (Deuteronomy 7:9-10 NCV)

'Zion will be redeemed with justice And her repentant ones with righteousness.28 But transgressors and sinners will be crushed together, And those who forsake the LORD will go off to corrective judgment together. (Isaiah 1:27-28 NCV)
The earth reels to and fro like a drunkard
And it totters like a shack,
For its transgression is heavy upon it,
And it will fall, never to rise again.
21 So it will happen in that day,
That the LORD will correctively punish the host of heaven on high,
And the kings of the earth on earth.
22 They will be gathered together
Like prisoners in the dungeon,
And will be confined in prison;
And after many days they will be correctively punished.
23 Then the moon will be abashed and the sun ashamed' (Isaiah 24:19-23 NCV)

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not have to endure corrective punishment in order to have eternal life.17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved from corrective punishment through Him.18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe will be sent off to corrective punishment, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God' (John 3:16-18 NCV)

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