Freewill vs. Prevenient Grace
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Freewill vs. Prevenient Grace
Leighton Flowers of Soteriology 101 posted the following response to Roger Olson, criticizing his (and other Arminian’s) views of man’s natural inability and need for prevenient grace. The emerging so-called Traditional View distinguishes itself from other non-Calvinists and is largely a Baptist movement. It has some differences on other issues like eternal security as well.
I’m curious what others believe here. I tend to think of the gospel as a form of prevenient grace and don’t see the big distinction. It seems a bit unnecessary to decide whether someone in their “natural state” could thing well of God since without some aspect of prevenient grace, they wouldn’t think anything about something they hadn’t thought of. To my mind, anything that brings the knowledge of the Holy to someone is a form of prevenient grace, including the gospel. It seems like an unnecessary distinction. Maybe I’m missing something.
https://soteriology101.com/2018/12/12/p ... td3repQ4C1
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I’m curious what others believe here. I tend to think of the gospel as a form of prevenient grace and don’t see the big distinction. It seems a bit unnecessary to decide whether someone in their “natural state” could thing well of God since without some aspect of prevenient grace, they wouldn’t think anything about something they hadn’t thought of. To my mind, anything that brings the knowledge of the Holy to someone is a form of prevenient grace, including the gospel. It seems like an unnecessary distinction. Maybe I’m missing something.
https://soteriology101.com/2018/12/12/p ... td3repQ4C1
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Re: Freewill vs. Prevenient Grace
There’s no such thing as unlimited free will
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In2joy,
Could you explain in a practical sense what you mean as it relates to the subject of this thread? I think all would agree, for example, that we can not will ourselves to do that which by its nature is impossible.There’s no such thing as unlimited free will
Re: Freewill vs. Prevenient Grace
I'd say I'm in agreement with you here. Seems much to do about very little.
I like and use the term prevenient grace, but I think it comes in many forms including the proclamation of the gospel itself. My definition of prevenient grace is basically anything that God does directly or through others or through things that draws you toward a point of conversion.
I like and use the term prevenient grace, but I think it comes in many forms including the proclamation of the gospel itself. My definition of prevenient grace is basically anything that God does directly or through others or through things that draws you toward a point of conversion.
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Our will is limited by our sin nature
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Divine enabling have the elect the ability to choose God.mattrose wrote:I'd say I'm in agreement with you here. Seems much to do about very little.
I like and use the term prevenient grace, but I think it comes in many forms including the proclamation of the gospel itself. My definition of prevenient grace is basically anything that God does directly or through others or through things that draws you toward a point of conversion.
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Re: Freewill vs. Prevenient Grace
in2joy,
You wrote:
You wrote:
So you are saying regeneration precedes conversion?Divine enabling have the elect the ability to choose God.
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No
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Election preceded regeneration
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