I-Monk article on Andrew Perriman

[steve7150]

Jesus said to Nicodemus:

[Jhn 3:16 ESV] "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.



Would Andrew Perriman say this was for Jewish believers before 70 AD only? Or, maybe for them plus the grafted in Gentiles of that time as well?

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Michelle

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Clearly meant for "whoever" believes whether then or throughout the church age including now. If God inspired the writers of the bible then was it written only toward the folks physically present at Jesus sermons or for whoever reads or hears his words? What about the prophecies of the OT including Isa 53, was it only for the so called relevant audience at that time or is it meant for whoever? Certainly many warnings about 70AD were meant for that relevant audience but IMO the relevant audience of a God inspired document is everyone.

[Michelle]

Jesus said to Nicodemus:

[Jhn 3:16 ESV] "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.



Would Andrew Perriman say this was for Jewish believers before 70 AD only? Or, maybe for them plus the grafted in Gentiles of that time as well?

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Michelle

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Clearly meant for "whoever" believes whether then or throughout the church age including now. If God inspired the writers of the bible then was it written only toward the folks physically present at Jesus sermons or for whoever reads or hears his words? What about the prophecies of the OT including Isa 53, was it only for the so called relevant audience at that time or is it meant for whoever? Certainly many warnings about 70AD were meant for that relevant audience but IMO the relevant audience of a God inspired document is everyone.

Thanks, Steve7150. I'm inclined to agree with what you've written here, I'm not sure, however, if you are expressing your opinion or that of Andrew Perriman.

[steve7150]

Thanks, Steve7150. I'm inclined to agree with what you've written here, I'm not sure, however, if you are expressing your opinion or that of Andrew Perriman.













Hi Michelle,
I was expressing what i'm best at, my own opinion.

[Michelle]

Hi Michelle,
I was expressing what i'm best at, my own opinion.

Thanks, Steve

[robbyyoung]

Hi Michelle, my response is in RED.

Thanks, robbyyoung. We can hope that we will benefit from the power and the riches, but we aren't specifically promised such. Got it. No. All Believers will benefit from the age to come, I simply believe it's more realized in the spiritual realm, or else how could God show THEM the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness in Christ "in the ages to come"? This would requires THEM to be immortal. Therefore, this IS NOT solely regarding mere mortals.

You've said twice here (once to me and once to Homer) that Yeshua and His kingdom reside in the Unseen Realm. In other places (like here and here) you say that YAHWEH has tabernacled with us since 70AD. I don't know what you mean by 'tabernacled with us'; I thought that term referred to the incarnation. No. this is a reference to the "Feast of Tabernacles". A shadow or type to remind Israel how God delivered them from the Egyptian bondage and dwelt among them while they lived in booths or tabernacles in the wilderness. All the Feast Days pointed to the anti-type, Yeshua, thus we read in Rev. 21:3 where it has it's fulfillment. Do you believe that Yeshua is still in his body? Is he here, in the Unseen Realm, or both? Yeshua is restored back to His original glory He had with The Father before coming to earth.

If Yeshua and the saints of 70AD are powerfully affecting us in the Seen Realm (is this the correct term??), how are misguided futurist Christians able to cause such misery in the world? Also, can't they (the raptured saints) do something about ISIS?

Michelle, I don't know what to make of this statement? Isn't this the same complaint from people blaming God for all the wickedness of man and suffering? Why He, God, is up in Heaven doing nothing. Well, that's their opinion. Fortunately, Man isn't a robot. Man will continue to be free-agents on this earth, God will continue to be God and sovereign over all the affairs of man, and Believers are to trust God in all things!

P.S. I don't want to get to far off the topic of this thread, so if you have others questions regarding unrelated topics, please ask me in another thread appropriate to the question. I just want to be supportive to the originator's thread .

As always, God Bless.

[Michelle]

P.S. I don't want to get to far off the topic of this thread, so if you have others questions regarding unrelated topics, please ask me in another thread appropriate to the question. I just want to be supportive to the originator's thread .

As always, God Bless.

Okay. My apologies to Rick. I've pretty much lost interest in Full Preterism, anyway.

[mattrose]

Just out of curiosity...

Are there any formal groups that endorse full preterism? A denomination? A Christian university? A recognized movement with an upfront statement of their position?

I ask b/c I've never met a full preterist in real life. It seems like an internet phenomenon... and not a very notable one at that. Sometimes it seems that full preterists on the internet suspect that the popularity of full preterism is growing by leaps and bounds. If anything, I'd say its shrinking (from my perspective). What are the go-to sites for full preterism online? Is there any proof that this is more than a very small group of people expressing their view passionately on the internet? Maybe a full preterist message board with thousands of members?

I'm genuinely asking.