Finding Nephilim

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Re: Finding Nephilim

Post by steve » Wed May 15, 2013 7:21 pm

If it requires angels in union with humans to create nephilim, where did the later nephilim (in Canaan, after the flood had wiped out the first batch) come from. More angels defecting? When will they learn to control their hormones?

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Re: Finding Nephilim

Post by paulespino » Wed May 15, 2013 11:20 pm

Hi Guys,

I want to add that in Genesis Chapter 5 Moses listed the Family tree of Adam until Noah. In 5:21 Moses specifically mentioned Enoch as a Godly person by saying that he walked with God But he did not mention that Noah was a Godly person in chapter 5 although we know that Noah is a Godly person because it was mentioned in Genesis 6:9 but not in chapter 5. It is also possible that Jared the father of Enoch was also a Godly man even though Moses was quiet about it since his (Jared) son (Enoch) walked with God.

although only Enoch was mentioned to be a Godly man in chapter 5 we know that there must be other men and women besides Enoch who were Godly such as Noah and possibly Jared the father of Enoch and also women whose name were not mentioned.

Chapter 5 is not just about the family tree of Adam but it is also about people who walked with God such as Enoch and Noah. It was also mentioned that sons and daughters were born telling us that the population of men and women ( Godly and ungodly ) also increased.

So moving forward to chapter 6 when Moses mentioned the "Sons of God and daughters of men" he must still be thinking the people in chapter 5 who were Godly and ungodly.

If we will put chapter 5 in context of chapter 6 or chapter 6 in context of chapter 5 we can conclude that Moses was referring to people who walked with God like Enoch and Noah when he wrote the phrase "Sons of God" in chapter 6.

Let me know if I confused you guys.

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Re: Finding Nephilim

Post by steve7150 » Thu May 16, 2013 9:03 am

If we will put chapter 5 in context of chapter 6 or chapter 6 in context of chapter 5 we can conclude that Moses was referring to people who walked with God like Enoch and Noah when he wrote the phrase "Sons of God" in chapter 6.











Yes since Moses gave no explanation in chap 6 it may be that he assumed the reader knew to refer back to chap 5 which i think was from the line of Seth.

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Re: Finding Nephilim

Post by Singalphile » Thu May 16, 2013 2:53 pm

I wonder if the "myths" that are mentioned by Paul in ... somewhere, 1 timothy maybe?, could be related to the whole demon/nephilim issue. It would be interesting to know what he was talking about (genealogies and myths).

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Re: Finding Nephilim

Post by dwilkins » Thu May 16, 2013 8:19 pm

How come descendants of the giants were still running around at the time of David?

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Re: Finding Nephilim

Post by Paidion » Thu May 16, 2013 10:45 pm

If those who understand the Nephilim to have been the offspring of fallen angels and human women are correct, then it would seem that all of them perished in the world-wide flood.

Other than the account in Genesis 6, there is only one other place in the Old Testament where the word "nephilim" occurs, and that is in Numbers 13. Those who checked out the land saw the descendents of Anak, who were large and tall.

At the end of forty days they returned from spying out the land. And they came to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation of the people of Israel in the wilderness of Paran, at Kadesh. They brought back word to them and to all the congregation, and showed them the fruit of the land. And they told him, “We came to the land to which you sent us. It flows with milk and honey, and this is its fruit. However, the people who dwell in the land are strong, and the cities are fortified and very large. And besides, we saw the descendants of Anak there. The Amalekites dwell in the land of the Negeb. The Hittites, the Jebusites, and the Amorites dwell in the hill country. And the Canaanites dwell by the sea, and along the Jordan.” (Num 13:25-29)

Notice that those who spied out the land saw the tall, strong, large men, and were afraid. They also pointed out the various peoples who dwelt in the land, which they would have to conquer. They pointed out that the cities of the people are large and well-foritified. These "spies" simply felt it would be difficult or impossible to occupy the land. However, Caleb did not agree.

But Caleb quieted the people before Moses and said, “Let us go up at once and occupy it, for we are well able to overcome it.” (Num 13:30)

But the others who had checked out the land insisted that they could not conquer it.

Then the men who had gone up with him said, “We are not able to go up against the people, for they are stronger than we are.” (Num 13:31)

Then to back up their position, they began to exaggerate:

So they brought to the people of Israel a bad report of the land that they had spied out, saying, “The land, through which we have gone to spy it out, is a land that eats up its inhabitants, and all the people that we saw in it are of great height. And there we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim, and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.” (Num 13:32,33)

It appears that they might have been claiming that the people who dwelt there were cannibals. They couldn't have meant that the land eats up its inhabitants in the sense of not providing food, since they gave a report of it being a land flowing with milk and honey. They also brought back the fruit of the land.

Probably the stories of the Nephilim were handed down to the Hebrews of that period. So their claim to have seen Nephilim would add to their case. But it's interesting that they said that the Nephilim they saw were descendants of Anak, and in the same breath state that the descendants of Anak came from the Nephilim!

There may be one other particular support for the position that the Nephilim had angelic fathers. Consider Peter's words:

For Christ also died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit in which he went and preached to the spirits in prison who formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water. (1 Peter 3:18-20)

Peter says that Christ, after dying, was made alive in the spirit—the same spirit in which He went, long before his incarnation, to preach to the spririts in prison during the days of Noah. Unlike us, who are a single entity, and who, according to Paul, must anticipate our resurrection, otherwise, we might as well eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die, the Nephilim had spirits which were separate from their bodies. "Who makes his angels spirits" (Heb 1:7). Angels are spirits, and their offspring would be spirits, but would have bodies if born from human mothers. After death, the spirits of these Nephilim would continue in consciousness, unlike ordinary humans who must await their resurrection. After death, they went to a prison where Christ, in his pre-incarnate state as a spirit, went to their prison and preached to them away back in the days when the ark was being constructed. On the other hand, Peter may be speaking of the angelic fathers of the Nephilim as being the spirits in prison.

Jude may also have addressed the matter of the fallen angels who didn't remain as God wished them to be, but attempted to be as human beings:

And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day. (Jude 1:6)
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Re: Finding Nephilim

Post by paulespino » Mon May 20, 2013 12:40 pm

Is Goliath a Nephilim?

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Re: Finding Nephilim

Post by Paidion » Mon May 20, 2013 10:11 pm

No, Goliath was not one of the Nephilim. He was a Rapha (giant) according to 2 Sam. 21:16. By the way, "Nephilim" is a plural word. No singular form is given in the Bible.

Goliath may not have been 6 cubits and 4 spans tall (9 ft. 4 in.) as the Masoretic text has it in 1 Sam. 17:4. The original Hebrew text probably had him as 4 cubits and 4 spans tall (6 ft. 4 in.) as the Septuagint has it. A man with the latter height is a tall man indeed, many men of such height and more still live throughout the world in our day.

However, it is possible that Goliath was 9 ft. 4 in. The tallest man in recently recorded history was an American, Robert Wadlow (1918-1940) who was 8 ft. 11 in.
Wikipedia lists 18 people who are/were 8 ft. or taller.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_tallest_man
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