Demonic oppression recently

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Re: Demonic oppression recently

Post by steve » Thu May 26, 2016 1:38 pm

When she was delivered, did she still have the chronic problem?
I don't think it had gone away. It might have slightly improved. I have not followed up on that, as this happened about seven years ago.
Why do you think she went insane under the treatment when the woman likely performed the same energy style healing many times with no such issues?
I don't know how the treatment may have affected the woman's other patients. I don't know any of them. Maybe there were some who had similar experiences, but I don't know.
Just having been under what I could only describe as thought attack with intrusive thoughts, what do you think makes the difference that places one under possession like the woman you describe or under aggressive attack? In other words, what makes it so demons can possess her, but not me, but we were believers?
I have a theory that different temperaments are more or less susceptible to control from outside personalities—whether the influence comes from other people or from demons. I suspect that passive/submissive personalities—or those whose resistance may be reduced by drugs or occult compromises—may come under the greater influence. This young woman was a very quiet and reserved daughter of Christian parents. I believe she was a fairly compliant person, which may have contributed to her vulnerability. You, on the other hand... :-)

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Re: Demonic oppression recently

Post by jaydam » Thu May 26, 2016 6:52 pm

steve wrote:You, on the other hand... :-)
Haha, guess my parents shouldn't feel so bad they couldn't control me as a child when Satan just failed this month. Guess my rebel side has its pros with its cons. ;)

I wonder if demonic oppression occurs more against us as Christians than we in the west think, and we just think it is caused by our own minds. If it hadn't coincided with the feeling that came as the woman treated me, I would not have identified it as such.

Instead I probably would have thought I was morally slipping as a person to be thinking all the things I was, and I would have thought it was me rather than a supernatural issue. Even though it is out of the ordinary for who I am and how I think now.

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Re: Demonic oppression recently

Post by willowtree » Thu May 26, 2016 9:50 pm

jaydam wrote:
steve wrote:You, on the other hand... :-)

I wonder if demonic oppression occurs more against us as Christians than we in the west think, and we just think it is caused by our own minds.
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I would agree with you on that. Or a person may believe that what happened is just life and passes it off without a thought.

I commend you for enlisting close prayer support as you deal with this, and encourage you to keep your spiritual antenna tuned both to what you see and sense, and to the leading of the Holy Spirit.

Graeme
If you find yourself between a rock and a hard place, always head for the rock. Ps 62..

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Re: Demonic oppression recently

Post by Ian » Tue May 31, 2016 1:47 pm

Interesting story Jaydam and I`m glad you`re a fighter.
I have been somewhat in the thick of this for some time now, but my little ex-pat Anglican community here in Switzerland would struggle to understand so I keep it mostly to myself.
I drive a school bus for mentally handicapped children. One of my until recently sweetest "guests", a 9-year old Muslim refugee boy, has made supernatural communications to me for over 2 years, beginning shortly before my wife became ill with ovarian cancer. By supernatural I mean that he has shown uncanny insight into events in my and my wife`s lives, particularly mishaps, and also past sins and acts of disobedience on my part. While long since repented of, he has reminded me of them, in striking symbolic words and in suitably accusatory fashion.
I thought it had abated but he`s been full on yesterday and today.
For the last 2 years especially I, but also my wife, have had one "psychosomatic" aliment after another. We seem to take it in turns. These can last 3 to 4 weeks and often have ended up in expensive visits to the local health centre and on-referal to specialists, with no clear diagnosis.
This boy, in the course of a 30 minute journey in my 11 seater bus will often only drop one little odd reminder to the effect that "we`re still in him you know". A month ago he said "what shall we do next time?". I saw that as his "communication" for the day but put it out of my mind. Yesterday the boy was in wild mood and began shouting "what shall we do next time? followed by jibberish in an unknown tongue, repeated maybe ten times each while throwing himself from side to side just behind me. He has started mouthing and with some gusto anti-God vulgarities in English that I don`t imagine he has heard in this German-speaking corner of Switzerland. He continually talks with himself in conversational style, like I`m listening to two or more people chatting away in his head.
Today he repeated over and over "oh my heart". I hope I am not going to be assailed in the cardiovascular department too now. It sure has focused my prayer life. This is no game we`re in.

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Re: Demonic oppression recently

Post by dizerner » Tue May 31, 2016 2:05 pm

Ian wrote:Interesting story Jaydam and I`m glad you`re a fighter.
I have been somewhat in the thick of this for some time now, but my little ex-pat Anglican community here in Switzerland would struggle to understand so I keep it mostly to myself.
I drive a school bus for mentally handicapped children. One of my until recently sweetest "guests", a 9-year old Muslim refugee boy, has made supernatural communications to me for over 2 years, beginning shortly before my wife became ill with ovarian cancer. By supernatural I mean that he has shown uncanny insight into events in my and my wife`s lives, particularly mishaps, and also past sins and acts of disobedience on my part. While long since repented of, he has reminded me of them, in striking symbolic words and in suitably accusatory fashion.
I thought it had abated but he`s been full on yesterday and today.
For the last 2 years especially I, but also my wife, have had one "psychosomatic" aliment after another. We seem to take it in turns. These can last 3 to 4 weeks and often have ended up in expensive visits to the local health centre and on-referal to specialists, with no clear diagnosis.
This boy, in the course of a 30 minute journey in my 11 seater bus will often only drop one little odd reminder to the effect that "we`re still in him you know". A month ago he said "what shall we do next time?". I saw that as his "communication" for the day but put it out of my mind. Yesterday the boy was in wild mood and began shouting "what shall we do next time? followed by jibberish in an unknown tongue, repeated maybe ten times each while throwing himself from side to side just behind me. He has started mouthing and with some gusto anti-God vulgarities in English that I don`t imagine he has heard in this German-speaking corner of Switzerland. He continually talks with himself in conversational style, like I`m listening to two or more people chatting away in his head.
Today he repeated over and over "oh my heart". I hope I am not going to be assailed in the cardiovascular department too now. It sure has focused my prayer life. This is no game we`re in.
that's quite a testimony i will keep you in prayers

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Re: Demonic oppression recently

Post by TK » Sat Jun 04, 2016 12:57 pm

Ian-

I wanted to make sure- are you suggesting this boy is demon possessed?

If so Steve might have some advice about how to command it to leave.

Your story gives me the willies.

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Re: Demonic oppression recently

Post by Ian » Sat Jun 04, 2016 1:39 pm

He is demonized in my opinion. I don`t know whether Steve, or other teachers, would use the word possessed.

I`ve driven him since he was 6 ie for 3 years. In the early days before then he would cry constantly at school. Then I began driving him and we seemed to "click". I loved his seeming innocence at the start, and in any case quickly feel compassion for backward children. He has shown me particular affection over much of this time, which maybe has perplexed some of his teachers because I am not very outgoing though am able to clown around with certain kids.
Annuar wears two hats. Firstly when he`s his normal self, he`s the old cute child I quickly warmed to. But then he goes into this other mode, and all bets are off at what he`ll come out with, including insight into my personal life that he could have known nothing about.

A teacher in the school, a Buddhist, once said to me, "you and Annuar have a spiritual connection don`t you?" I had already made up my mind about what was going on by then and didn`t reply.
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Re: Demonic oppression recently

Post by Ian » Sat Jun 04, 2016 1:55 pm

I had attempted to cast out the spirit, without success. He just shook his head. I think there is more than one in there anyway.

I have also had a strange incident with another mentally handicapped child, this one a girl, also a Muslim refugee, not from Macedonia but Kurdish Turkey. But this one theme with her lasted only for a period of months in the build up to the time when Adie found out she had cancer, and it was only one theme not multivarious like with the boy. I tried the same with her, and got the same reaction, a shake of the head and a "uh uh".

I still drive her too. Twice a day. I probably feel even more compassion for her. She`s pathetically helpless and can do nothing for herself even though she would be physically capable of doing so.

As an aside, this challenges any Arminianism in me. There`s no free will at work here, and if the Lord accepts these children into His presence and rejects their burdened carers (family) because of their not becoming Christians then I`ll be confused by the fairness of it all. Unless Christian Universalism turns out to be true, salvation is a much more complex thing than one theology will allow.

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Re: Demonic oppression recently

Post by dizerner » Sat Jun 04, 2016 2:36 pm

Ian wrote: As an aside, this challenges any Arminianism in me.
Arminianism doesn't deny demon possession....

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Re: Demonic oppression recently

Post by dizerner » Sat Jun 04, 2016 2:37 pm

Ian wrote:Unless Christian Universalism turns out to be true, salvation is a much more complex thing than one theology will allow.
Stay in Scripture, it doesn't teach universalism.....

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