McLaren - A New Kind of Christianity

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Danny
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Re: McLaren - A New Kind of Christianity

Post by Danny » Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:58 pm

Hi RickC,

Thanks for posting the Youtube links to those videos. You are right when you say that McLaren used the names "Theos" and "Elohim" for illustrative purposes, not to construct actual theologies. He used the two names as labels to encapsulate two different sets of common theological views of God.
If you think about it, a whole lot of beliefs come as much or more from Plato (ref. cit., Augustine) than the actual narrative of Scripture. If I'm understanding McLaren's "gist"; we need to move from Jesus backwards, rather than formulating our theology from the death of the last Apostle onward. Not that we can totally erase everything we've been taught. But we should definitely be rethinking our theology in light of what really happened....
Based on what you've written here, I think you'll find a lot of resonance with McLaren's new book. You might find McLaren's response to McKnight's review interesting: http://www.brianmclaren.net/archives/bl ... ani-8.html

Hi Homer,
To me, the problem is not the constitution vs. library view of the scriptures. I believe Christianity is basically a simple faith and we can know what we are required to do without much trouble; all too often we just don't want to do it. Love God, love your neighbor, help the poor, live a moral life, get baptized, remember Him in communion, pray, & worship. There isn't much more to it. I fail to see the need for "another kind". The old path seems pretty good to me.
I agree that Christianity is (or ought to be) a simple faith. No doubt you've heard the story of one of the 20th Century's greatest theologians, Karl Barth, when he gave a speech towards the end of his life at a university. After his speech, during the Q&A, he was asked what was the greatest theological insight he had had over a lifetime of study. He paused a moment to reflect and then replied "Jesus loves me, this I know, for the Bible tells me so."

On the other hand, there are layers and layers of depth which have kept great minds like Barth, Wright, et al occupied and which provide grist for theological forums such as this one. The "New Kind of Christianity" that McLaren speaks of is really an "old kind of Christianity." The idea is to go back to Jesus as a starting point and then examine and perhaps jettison some of the baggage that has been picked up along the way. For example, McLaren draws some fascinating parallels between the metanarrative of Neoplatonism and the metanarrative of Western post-Augustinian Christendom.
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Re: McLaren - A New Kind of Christianity

Post by TK » Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:39 pm

danny wrote:
For example, McLaren draws some fascinating parallels between the metanarrative of Neoplatonism and the metanarrative of Western post-Augustinian Christendom.
i thought when somebody speaks in tongues there is supposed to be an interpretation. ;)

TK

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Re: McLaren - A New Kind of Christianity

Post by RickC » Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:55 pm

A while later . . . .
Danny wrote:Based on what you've written here, I think you'll find a lot of resonance with McLaren's new book. You might find McLaren's response to McKnight's review interesting: http://www.brianmclaren.net/archives/bl ... ani-8.html
Danny, thanks!
I got to McLaren's blog the same day you linked to it (and have read more there since). "ANKoC" is also showing up on 'wish-list books' I view @ Amazon (under the "they also bought" thing). The book will probably be in my church's book store soon. My pastor recommended McLaren's Everything Must Change, and I think Brian came to my church (but before I was regularly going there). My pastor knows Brian fairly well, if I'm not mistaken.

You may be interested in taking a look around my church (I'll link to it, lots going on t/here!):
http://ginghamsburg.org/
I should note, I'm not a member.
But you don't have to join to participate.

Thanks again, Danny! :)

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Re: McLaren - A New Kind of Christianity

Post by Danny » Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:46 pm

Wow, that looks like a church with a lot of good stuff going on!
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Re: McLaren - A New Kind of Christianity

Post by Danny » Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:58 am

There is now a browsable version of A New Kind of Christianity online:
http://browseinside.harpercollins.com/i ... 0061853982
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Re: McLaren - A New Kind of Christianity

Post by Homer » Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:34 am

Hi Danny,

You do not get to read the whole book? At least I can't.

Blessings, Homer

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Re: McLaren - A New Kind of Christianity

Post by Danny » Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:50 pm

No, I think the idea is that you can "browse" through it the way you might at a bookstore to decide if you want to purchase it.
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Re: McLaren - A New Kind of Christianity

Post by RickC » Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:43 am

Danny (if you're still around?) -

The day after you posted to me I went to Bible study at church.
Early even, for the $4 all-you-can-eat! Image
Pastor Mike was there and said a quick "Hello" (as I had met him in membership class).
I was too hungry, I suppose, to ask if he had read McLaren's new book.
(If he hasn't, I'm sure he will - since they know one another).
I haven't gotten to it yet myself....
(but DID just finish NTW's Justification: God's Plan & Paul's Vision) -
Great stuff, as per your Amazon review!!!!!

Btw, I would have replied sooner...but my computer "fried"... :shock: ...had to get a better one!

I may post the following as a new thread.
I thought you'd be interested in this (Danny).
From Pastor's Mike Slaughter's blog -
(tells about ministry in Darfur, Haiti, elsewhere, local)

Courtesty of PBS's Religion & Ethics program (Mike was on it a few weeks ago) -
"Be the Gospel" - (Ginghamsburg Church and Darfur)

God bless you! :)

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