Mark 11:19-24
- dwight92070
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Mark 11:19-24
May the wicked mountains (kingdoms) of Obama, Obamacare, Hillary, Sanders, Socialism, Communism, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, liberal judges, Planned Parenthood, organized crime, pornography, illegal drugs, prostitution, Isis, Islam, Sharia Law, immoral Hollywood, liberal universities and colleges, liberal professors, liberal teachers, false prophets and all stumbling blocks be cursed at their roots, as Jesus cursed the fig tree, and be taken up and cast into the sea of God's judgment. Amen and amen.
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Re: Mark 11:19-24
Do you have a timeframe in mind for the fulfillment of this? When Jesus cursed the fig tree, it was dead and withered by the next morning.
Re: Mark 11:19-24
Hmmmm... I searched in vain your list of persons and movements which you curse for "extreme right wingism" and "Donald Trump".
If Trump becomes president, it may mean the end of America.
However, Dwight, it might be more effective to love and pray for your enemies as Christ instructed his disciples to do. If we are Jesus' disciples, we will treat our enemies as He instructed, and thus show ourselves to be sons of the Father who is kind to evil and ungrateful people (Luke 6:35).
Yes, Jesus cursed an inanimate fig tree, but never people. Jesus personally had plenty of enemies among the Pharisees; He spoke harshly to them at times, but never cursed them. Also God's KINDNESS is meant to lead people to repentance (Rom 2:4). Isn't that much better than cursing?
If Trump becomes president, it may mean the end of America.
However, Dwight, it might be more effective to love and pray for your enemies as Christ instructed his disciples to do. If we are Jesus' disciples, we will treat our enemies as He instructed, and thus show ourselves to be sons of the Father who is kind to evil and ungrateful people (Luke 6:35).
Yes, Jesus cursed an inanimate fig tree, but never people. Jesus personally had plenty of enemies among the Pharisees; He spoke harshly to them at times, but never cursed them. Also God's KINDNESS is meant to lead people to repentance (Rom 2:4). Isn't that much better than cursing?
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Man judges a person by his past deeds, and administers penalties for his wrongdoing. God judges a person by his present character, and disciplines him that he may become righteous.
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- dwight92070
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Re: Mark 11:19-24
Obviously, God is in charge, not me. My understanding of Jesus cursing the fig tree, as Steve has explained it, was that it represented Israel, who by and large, rejected their Messiah and was not bringing forth fruit. Steve has also given us his opinion of speaking to "THIS mountain", which he believes is referring to Mt. Zion, or Jerusalem, and that He was suggesting to His followers that they pray for judgment on Jerusalem, since it was an evil city at that time, persecuting believers and rejecting their message. So if I understood Steve correctly, he believes the prayers of the Christians actually brought on the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D., which would have been about 36 years later.
I believe Steve's interpretation, so I am praying for God's judgment on all evil "kingdoms" or institutions, which have been enemies of Christ and of us, His followers. If we pray that "His kingdom come and His will be done", then obviously, the timing is in His hands, isn't it? Also, I couldn't make judgment happen anyway, could I? I am not a Word of Faith believer, thinking that I can command things to happen. But the Bible does tell us that the fervent prayer of a righteous avails much. Remember the widow who constantly sought the unrighteous judge to give her justice from her opponent? Remember the souls of those who had been killed in Revelation 6:9-11, calling out on God to judge and avenge their blood? How about God avenging the blood of the 50 million plus babies who have been murdered in their mother's womb? Or should we ask God to avenge the blood of the hundreds or thousands of people whom ISIS has tortured, beheaded, and murdered? Are we not supposed to hate evil? When we pray, "Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.", aren't we praying against all other kingdoms?
Our country is in a terrible state, largely (but not solely) because of Obama and the Democrat party. Will you join me in calling out on God for justice and yes, judgment on those who are causing death and destruction in our country and in our world?
I believe Steve's interpretation, so I am praying for God's judgment on all evil "kingdoms" or institutions, which have been enemies of Christ and of us, His followers. If we pray that "His kingdom come and His will be done", then obviously, the timing is in His hands, isn't it? Also, I couldn't make judgment happen anyway, could I? I am not a Word of Faith believer, thinking that I can command things to happen. But the Bible does tell us that the fervent prayer of a righteous avails much. Remember the widow who constantly sought the unrighteous judge to give her justice from her opponent? Remember the souls of those who had been killed in Revelation 6:9-11, calling out on God to judge and avenge their blood? How about God avenging the blood of the 50 million plus babies who have been murdered in their mother's womb? Or should we ask God to avenge the blood of the hundreds or thousands of people whom ISIS has tortured, beheaded, and murdered? Are we not supposed to hate evil? When we pray, "Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.", aren't we praying against all other kingdoms?
Our country is in a terrible state, largely (but not solely) because of Obama and the Democrat party. Will you join me in calling out on God for justice and yes, judgment on those who are causing death and destruction in our country and in our world?
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Re: Mark 11:19-24
Paidon,
First of all, notice how I started my comment: May the wicked mountains (kingdoms) of Obama ...be cursed at their roots, etc.
This is meant to express my desire, i.e. my prayer to God. Obviously I have no power to curse anything or anyone. Second, I did not seek a curse on any person as you claim I specifically am seeking a curse by God, (which is totally up to Him) on the "kingdoms" of Obama and other specific people and organizations. Yes, I believe Obama is often led by demons, likewise Hillary, Harry Reid, etc. Remember Jesus said, "You are of your father, the devil." I don't believe any other president has lied as often as Obama. No other president has done as much damage to our country. I am seeking God's judgment on the powers behind these people and these organizatons. You might say that that is splitting hairs. I don't think so. Any of these people are free to repent at any time and I would welcome that. But currently they are cooperating with demonic powers and ,as such, are tools of the devil to do his will. YES, may those kingdoms be cursed and destroyed, so that our nation will survive and our children will have a safe and free environment, free from tyranny and communism and dictatorship. And in the process of God's judgment on those demonic kingdoms, those who are tools of the devil, may, if God wills, have another chance to repent. If they choose not to, then I would not want to be in their shoes.
Dwight
First of all, notice how I started my comment: May the wicked mountains (kingdoms) of Obama ...be cursed at their roots, etc.
This is meant to express my desire, i.e. my prayer to God. Obviously I have no power to curse anything or anyone. Second, I did not seek a curse on any person as you claim I specifically am seeking a curse by God, (which is totally up to Him) on the "kingdoms" of Obama and other specific people and organizations. Yes, I believe Obama is often led by demons, likewise Hillary, Harry Reid, etc. Remember Jesus said, "You are of your father, the devil." I don't believe any other president has lied as often as Obama. No other president has done as much damage to our country. I am seeking God's judgment on the powers behind these people and these organizatons. You might say that that is splitting hairs. I don't think so. Any of these people are free to repent at any time and I would welcome that. But currently they are cooperating with demonic powers and ,as such, are tools of the devil to do his will. YES, may those kingdoms be cursed and destroyed, so that our nation will survive and our children will have a safe and free environment, free from tyranny and communism and dictatorship. And in the process of God's judgment on those demonic kingdoms, those who are tools of the devil, may, if God wills, have another chance to repent. If they choose not to, then I would not want to be in their shoes.
Dwight
Re: Mark 11:19-24
How are these godless? Yawheh and Jesus were both apolitical in the sense of rulership. Presidents, prime ministers, parliaments are judged not by the system of government but on how they rule. King David had absolute rule. He was a benevolent dictator. And benevolent communism wouldn't be godless either. It might not work, but it would be no less godly than capitalism. I don't own my stuff anyway. God owns it. So if he put me in a country that practices communism, I'd need to make the best of it.Dwight said: ...communism and dictatorship...
Power that *is* godless, is corrupt, and cruel. It imprisons and kills indiscriminately. There is no justice. The poor are oppressed.
In the case of communism, then, it would be a problem if it was a tool to keep people poor and fund the high standard of living of the rulers, that would be corrupt. But not because it's communism. Because that rule is being exploited for the benefit of the few. Capitalism in america is doing that very thing. With wealth going to the top 1%, and corruption in banks and wall street. While the middle class struggling, and poverty increasing.
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Re: Mark 11:19-24
I wonder how, in your heart, you would fancy avenging the blood of the innocent unborn, the victims of ISIS, or how about, say, those who were innocent of the crimes for which they were executed by the State.
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