Election Aftermath

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Re: Election Aftermath

Post by dwight92070 » Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:33 pm

Myron Floren was the accordion player on the Lawrence Welk show. He died at 85 in 2005. Regarding the protestors, we see once again which side engages in, or at least supports, violence. I heard it well-said just the other day: "Liberals are bomb throwers." That is true figuratively, and too often, literally, like Obama friends Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn. This reminds me of peaceful Muslims who, despite their non-violence, still support the violent Muslims. Obviously, there are exceptions, but by and large liberals do not like the phrase "Live and let live." They are not content to allow others to drive gas-guzzling SUV's, build an oil pipeline, drill oil wells, use nuclear power, refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding, say "Merry Christmas!", believe in and preach the Bible, etc., etc.

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Re: Election Aftermath

Post by steve7150 » Thu Nov 17, 2016 2:47 pm

One thing interesting is that liberals and conservatives talk past each other. They seem to be only interested in what they consider to be "social justice" and conservatives are interested in the economy,jobs, freedom of religion and America generally speaking.

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Re: Election Aftermath

Post by dwight92070 » Thu Nov 17, 2016 3:16 pm

One of the main pasttimes of the liberal left is hysteria. They are hysterical about so-called global warming, now called climate change because there is no warming; socialism, even though Americans have just rejected it in favor of capitalism; abortion, their escape from the responsibility of caring for, loving and raising a child, also known as 1st degree murder; pacifism, except when it comes to killing Jews or Christians, or violently protesting Trump; LGBTQ, all "lifestyles" identified as sin in the Bible; and the list goes on.

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Re: Election Aftermath

Post by mattrose » Thu Nov 17, 2016 8:04 pm

dwight92070 wrote: I must agree with another post on this. How can anyone who supports ripping a baby apart "consider themselves a Christian"? I think I can safely make a generalization: The followers of Hillary are not a praying lot, unless you count praying to Allah or some goddess.
I think you're missing my point. Christians who voted for Hillary don't "support ripping a baby part". They are strongly opposed to that. But they believe that when you make a list of Hillary's platform and compare/weigh it against Trump's platform... she ends up being the superior candidate. I am not defending this position, but I can at least understand how someone genuinely desiring to follow Christ could get there. They could say, "well, Hillary isn't against abortion. That's bad. But Trump is for more wars, more death penalty, more harsh treatment of immigrants, more mistreatment of Muslims, taking health options away from the poor, etc. Maybe Hillary is the lesser of two evils." That's how progressives often process things.
You're entitled to your opinion. But since the Bible says that God raises up and brings down rulers, I find no problem at all believing that He wanted to do that here in America.


So did God hand pick Obama for the last 2 elections? I just don't understand people using that verse as a blanket endorsement of every political leader. It's simply saying that God is able to bring a ruler up and bring a ruler down. It doesn't suggest, to me, that every single political ruler has been manipulated into office by God.
Yes I do believe that "earthly politics is a great answer to earth's problems", especially when the politicians involved are submitting to God and/or the principles in His word. 1 Timothy 2:1-3 says: "First of all, then, I urge that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men, for kings and all who are in authority, SO THAT we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity. This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, ..." The implication is quiet clear, i.e. if we do not pray for our rulers and/or rulers to be, we may not be able to lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity. So, yes, as we pray for future and current leaders, we see earthly politics can actually become a great answer to earthly problems.
In the Timothy passage, Paul isn't saying that earthly governments are the answer to the earth's problems. He is saying that if earthly governments do THEIR job, then the Gospel (which IS the answer to the earth's problems) can spread. Earthly government, at its best, is a means to an end. It is at its best when it is working itself out of a job.
I don't see how you can view (all) earthly governments and political parties beastly and demonic.
To be clear, I am not saying that all earthly governments and political parties are 100% beastly and demonic. I am only saying that all earthly governments and political parties are beastly and demonic in the sense that Satan is the ruler of the kingdoms of the world and that earthly governments seem to be, biblically speaking, his primary tool to mess up the world (Revelation, among quite a few other passages, seems to make that clear). In light of this truth, I believe all Christians should view all governments with a great degree of suspicion.

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Re: Election Aftermath

Post by Paidion » Thu Nov 17, 2016 8:39 pm

Dwight wrote:They are hysterical about so-called global warming, now called climate change because there is no warming.
I am amazed that you should say that. It is simply untrue. Global warming and global cooling have been going on for centuries, but it is cyclic. For example, there was a global warming period from about A.D. 1100 to A.D. 1300, called "The Medieval Warm Period." It peaked around A.D. 1200. Then things began to cool down. The period from about A.D. 1550 to A.D. 1700 is known as "The Little Ice Age." The earth was coldest around A.D. 1650. Right now, the earth is warming up. This warming won't go on forever; there will be a cooling period again later. And man's activities will have little or no effect on it, despite the hype to the contrary.

Where the mistake lies is not in the fact of global warming, but the cause ascribed to it. They say "greenhouse gases," particularly carbon dioxide, is the cause, and that reducing these gases in the atmosphere will slow down global warming. There is a slight correlation between the level of carbon dioxide and global warming, but it is very slight, and all the efforts to reduces these gases will fail to slow down global warming. By far the main cause of global warming is sun activity. This activity is cyclic, and therefore global warming and global cooling is cyclic.

However, if man succeeds in reducing air pollution, it will be a good thing. It will have a positive effect of people's health, especially in the cities.

Here is a study by Lund University in Sweden:
http://www.lunduniversity.lu.se/article ... ate-change

Other studies:
http://earthguide.ucsd.edu/virtualmuseu ... 06_3.shtml

Even the "Scientific American" allows for the possibility:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... te-change/
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Re: Election Aftermath

Post by dwight92070 » Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:01 am

Surprisingly, Mattrose and Paidon, I agree with 100% of your last posts. No, I do not believe that every ruler is in that position because God put them there. Some are there without it being God's will, but obviously, He allowed it. On the other hand, I believe some are there because God heard the prayers of His people and decided to act on their behalf. This, I believe is what happened with Trump getting elected. Regarding global warming, I meant there is no global warming in the sense that the activists see it, i.e. that the primary cause is the burning of fossil fuels.

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Re: Election Aftermath

Post by Paidion » Sat Nov 19, 2016 12:15 pm

Dwight, you wrote:Regarding global warming, I meant there is no global warming in the sense that the activists see it, i.e. that the primary cause is the burning of fossil fuels.
But your man, Trump, stated that global warming itself is a myth.
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Re: Election Aftermath

Post by jasonmodar » Sat Nov 19, 2016 5:21 pm

Paidion wrote:But your man, Trump, stated that global warming itself is a myth.
What's the context of Trump's refutation of global warming? Does he literally mean global warming of any kind is a myth (i.e. the global warming of the Middle Ages never happened)? Or is he just asserting his disagreement with the Left's understanding of global warming?

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Post by Paidion » Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:12 pm

It sounded like the former.

In this article, CNN says that he called climate change "a Chinese hoax."
Trump calls climate change "bullshit"

However, in this article, Baxter Dmitri says that Trump said that man-made global warming is a hoax. So perhaps you are right.
Man-made warming a hoax

I also believe it to be an error to affirm that global warming is chiefly caused by air pollution. Air pollution is a minor factor, but reducing it will have no significant effect on global warming.
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Re: Election Aftermath

Post by jasonmodar » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:21 am

Paidion wrote:It sounded like the former.

In this article, CNN says that he called climate change "a Chinese hoax."
Trump calls climate change "bullshit"

However, in this article, Baxter Dmitri says that Trump said that man-made global warming is a hoax. So perhaps you are right.
Man-made warming a hoax

I also believe it to be an error to affirm that global warming is chiefly caused by air pollution. Air pollution is a minor factor, but reducing it will have no significant effect on global warming.
Thanks, Paidion. Those articles were helpful and answered my question.

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