Matthew 20:21-23 and predestination

[darinhouston]

Hmm -- what say you?

And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom.
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And he said unto them, You shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.

[TK]

Couldn't the "whom" be an indefinite "whom?"

TK

[jeremiah]

i would think so tk. i think jesus' emphasis is that those places are not his to give. what do you think darin? grace and peace...

[darinhouston]

i would think so tk. i think jesus' emphasis is that those places are not his to give. what do you think darin? grace and peace...

I think it's probably not about salvation, first of all, and that it was the Father's prerogative who was given the special places of honor at his right and left hand. But, if it is about salvation, then it probably is about corporate election and that he couldn't just hand out the kingdom -- they had to join it and this because it was prepared that way for those who would join.

[parsonsmom]

Hmm -- what say you?

And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom.
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And he said unto them, You shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.

Greetings all; Did you consider the entie subject of this?

20 Then came to him the mother of Zebedees children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him.

21 And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom.

22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.

23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.

24 And when the ten heard it, they were moved with indignation against the two brethren.

25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.

26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;


27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:

28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many. Respectfully;Parsonsmom

[parsonsmom]

Then the mother of Zebedee’s children came up to Him with her sons and, kneeling, worshiped Him and asked a favor of His; And He asked her, What do you wish? She answered Him, Give orders that these two sons of mine may sit, one at Your right hand and one at Your left in Your kingdom; But Jesus replied, You do not realize what you are asking; Are you able to drink the cup that I am about to drink and to be baptized with the baptism with which I am baptized? They answered, We are able; He said to them, You will drink My cup, but seats at My right hand and at My left are not Mine to give; but they are for those for whom they have been ordained and prepared by My Father; But when the ten other disciples heard this, they were indignant at the two brothers; And Jesus called them to Him and said, You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them; and their great men hold them in subjection; tyrannizing; over them.

Not so shall it be among you; but whoever wishes to be great among you must be your servant, And whoever desires to be first among you must be your slave; just as the Son of Man came not to be waited on but to serve; and to give His life as a ransom for many; the price paid to set them free. Respectfully; Parsonsmom.

[steve7150]

nd he said unto them, You shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.










If this is a leg Calvinism stands on, then they have a problem.

[parsonsmom]

[quote="steve7150"]nd he said unto them, You shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.

If this is a leg Calvinism stands on, then they have a problem.[/quote]





I'm not sure I understand.Parsonsmom

[steve7150]

If this is a leg Calvinism stands on, then they have a problem.[/quote]





I'm not sure I understand.Parsonsmom








I meant that the fact there are open places at the table that are not Jesus to give does not mean God predestined anyone to occupy these seats.