Assessing the Necessity of Open Theism 2

[Paidion]

So you're basically saying that space is the absence of particles and time is the absence of events. So once there is an event - a thought, activity, awareness, etc. - then time is merely a consequence. So time and space aren't things in and of themselves. That makes some sense to me.

I am glad my statements made sense to you in spite of the fact that your first sentence expresses the opposite of my position (though your second and third sentence express my position exactly).

Space implies the presence of particles. The absence of particles implies the absence of space. Time implies the presence of events. The absence of events implies the absence of time. But maybe that's what you meant. Sometimes my wife says the opposite of what she meant to say.

[Singalphile]

Space implies the presence of particles. The absence of particles implies the absence of space. Time implies the presence of events. The absence of events implies the absence of time. But maybe that's what you meant. Sometimes my wife says the opposite of what she meant to say.

Heh! That's funny.

I get what you're saying (I think). Interesting. Thanks.

[kenblogton]

Reply to Singalphile

If I were to guess, I'd say that you add this "since creation" qualifier in order to limit all of this speculation solely to God's dealings with us (humanity). You don't want to speculate about God before He created our universe (or since you think that time is a created thing that He created when He created our universe, you don't think there was anything "before" then). That's how I'm understanding you, rightly or wrongly.

The word "before" is a time-assuming word. There is no time in eternity. Since we're in a world of time, we haven't an intuitive clue what that means. I assume it all occurred at Creation.
kenblogton

[kenblogton]

Reply to Paidion

So you're basically saying that space is the absence of particles and time is the absence of events. So once there is an event - a thought, activity, awareness, etc. - then time is merely a consequence. So time and space aren't things in and of themselves. That makes some sense to me.

No I'm NOT saying that space is the absence of particles because particles exist is space. I'm also NOT saying that time is the absence of events because nothing may happen in time. What you say are common-sense notions, not scientific ones. Truthfully, my notions of space-time-matter-energy are pretty common-sense as well. My concern is that, whatever they are, God is their Creator and, as their Creator, Himself does not consist of matter or energy and exists outside of time and space.
kenblogton