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Does The Ark Represent Jesus? or Mary?
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Hello Tom,
The love of Christ is really coming through now. Look at all the mud slinging. Did you know that there are also rumors that Hitler was one-quarter Jewish from his grandmother side, so I guess if he is part Jewish the state of his atrocities fall on the Jews, too. Great analogy…blow the whistles, toot your horns and shoot off the fireworks.. It is ironic that some Christians know about as much history that simply supports their view of a glorified pristine Protestant history.
They also forget that the Pope was hiding Jews at the Vatican, basically as an “underground” railroad for them to escape the Nazi’s (like the slaves from the South). Yes, the slaves said “massah, massah” in front of their white owners but at night were smuggling everyone out, so I guess if the Pope was saying “massah, massah, hail Hitler” but was smuggling Jews away from death I guess that is OK. It also appears that some Protestants would also slam Rahab for hiding spies and lying to the troops of the from the King of Jericho because she dared to even talk to such a man. I would say “Go girl”! But then, I’m a catholic Christian, not Protestant.
If you are interested, the computer is full of interesting facts of those that have fallen in faith, in all faiths, but as it would appear from your friend’s who forget that there are thousands of Protestant ministers/preachers who do the ugly deed. Doubt it? Go to [ http://reformation.com/ ] and see the chronicled list of Protestants from merely the late 70’s. There are thousands of Protestant faiths so the crimes against humanity are harder to document because no one Protestant faith speaks for the pack…yea, baby, Free Will! Free Doctrine! Free Scriptural interpretation!
In case you dare not look, maybe I can bring a few to refresh everyone's memories…Tony Alamo, 2008, Tony Alamo Christian Ministries, child pornography ,child abuse, sexual abuse and polygamy .
In 2007, Senator Chuck Grassley probes into the finances of six televangelists, Kenneth /Gloria Copeland Kenneth Copeland Ministries of Newark, Texas; Creflo Dollar and Taffi Dollar of World Changers Church International and Creflo Dollar Ministries of College Park, Ga; Benny Hinn of World Healing Center Church Inc. and Benny Hinn Ministries of Grapevine, Texas; Eddie L. Long of New Birth Missionary Baptist Church and Bishop Eddie Long Ministries of Lithonia, Ga; Joyce Meyer and David Meyer of Joyce Meyer Ministries of Fenton, Mo; Randy White and Paula White of the multiracial Without Walls International Church and Paula White Ministries of Tampa . All preach a "prosperity gospel".[27] The probe follows years of reports of high living and lavish lifestyles by televangelists including fleets of Rolls Royces, huge palatial mansions, private jets and other excesses paid for with monies from, more often than not, poor television viewers who donate due to the ministries incessant pleading for tithings
Joe Barron, one of the 40 ministers at Prestonwood Baptist Church, one of the largest churches in the United States with 26,000 members, was arrested on May 15, 2008 for solicitation of a minor after driving from the Dallas area to Bryan, Texas, in order to allegedly engage in sexual relations with what he thought to be a 13 year-old girl he had met online.
Coy Privette, 2007, a Baptist pastor, conservative activist, and politician in the U.S. state of North Carolina. Privette was president of the Christian Action League and a prominent figure in North Carolina moral battles. In 2007, Privette resigned as president of North Carolina's Christian Action League and from the Board of Directors of the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina, following revelations on July 19 that he had been charged with six counts of aiding and abetting prostitution.
Richard Roberts, 2007, televangelist (son of Oral Roberts), was president of Oral Roberts University until his forced resignation as a defendant in a lawsuit alleging improper use of university funds for political and personal purposes and improper use of university resources.
Bishop Earl Paulk, 2007, the founder and head Pastor of Chapel Hill Harvester Church in Decatur, Georgia from 1960 until the 1990s. A number of women from the congregation came forward during the 1990s claiming that Paulk had sexual relations with them. Some of these claims have subsequently been proven correct. Moreover, Donnie Earl Paulk, the current senior pastor of the church and nephew of Earl Paulk, had a court-ordered DNA test in 2007 which showed that he was Earl's son, not his nephew, which means that Earl and his sister-in-law had had a sexual relationship which led to Donnie's birth.
Pastor Paul Barnes, 2006, is the founder and former senior minister of the evangelical church Grace Chapel in Douglas County, Colorado. He confessed his homosexual activity to the church board, and his resignation was accepted on 7 December 2006. He started the church in his basement and watched it reach a membership of 2,100 in his 28 years of leadership.
Lonnie Latham, 2006, the senior pastor of South Tulsa Baptist Church and a member of the powerful Southern Baptist Convention Executive Committee, was arrested for “offering to engage in an act of lewdness” with a male undercover police officer.
Pastor Ted Haggard, 2006, was the Pastor of the New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado and was the president of the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE) from 2003 until November 2006. In 2006 it was alleged that Haggard had been regularly visiting a male prostitute who also provided him with crystal methamphetamine. Haggard admitted his wrongdoing and resigned as pastor of New Life church and as president of the NAE.
Frank Houston, 2000, was a Pentecostal Christian pastor in the Assemblies of God in New Zealand and Australia. In 2000 he was advised to resign his ministerial credentials by his own son, Brian Houston, the National President of the Assemblies of God in Australia (and pastor of Hillsong Church), after Houston Sr. confessed that he had engaged in pedophile sexual activities with a teenage boy while ministering in New Zealand some thirty years earlier.
Pastor Robert Tilton, 1991, a televangelist who achieved notoriety in the 1980s and early 1990s through his paid television program Success-N-Life. At its peak it aired in all 235 American TV markets. An investigation, broadcast on ABC's Primetime Live on November 21, 1991, found that Tilton's ministry threw away prayer requests without reading them, keeping only the money or valuables sent to them by viewers, garnering his ministry an estimated $80 million a year. In the original investigation, one of Tilton's former prayer hotline operators claimed that the ministry cared little for desperate followers who called for prayer, saying that Tilton had a computer installed in July 1989 to make sure that the phone operators were off the line in seven minutes.
Peter Popoff, 1987, self-proclaimed prophet and faith healer in the 1980s, Popoff's ministry went bankrupt in 1987 after James Randi and Steve Shaw debunked his methods by showing that instead of receiving information about audience members from supernatural sources, he received it through an in-ear receiver.
Jim & Tammy Bakker and Jimmy Swaggart, 1986 and 1991, were involved on-screen attacks against each other involving Marvin Gorman and Jim Bakker. It was discovered that Gorman's affair with a member of Gorman's congregation, and also helped expose Bakker's infidelity (which was arranged by a colleague while on an out-of-state trip).[ These exposures received widespread media coverage. Gorman retaliated in kind by hiring a private investigator to uncover Swaggart's own adulterous indiscretions with a prostitute.
Swaggart was caught again by California police five years later in 1991 with another prostitute, Rosemary Garcia, who was riding with him in his car when he was stopped for driving on the wrong side of the road. When asked why she was with Swaggart, she replied, "He asked me for sex. I mean, that's why he stopped me. That's what I do. I'm a prostitute."
Pastor Billy James Hargis, early 1970s, was a prolific author and radio evangelist. Hargis formed American Christian College in 1971 in order to teach fundamentalist Christian principles. However, a sex scandal erupted at the College, involving claims that Hargis had had sex with male and female students. Hargis was forced out of American Christian College's presidency as a result. Further scandals erupted when members of Hargis' youth choir, the "All American Kids", accused Hargis of sexual misconduct as well.
So Tom, if you want to read more than go to http://reformation.com/ about how pristine pure your Protestant friends think they are. I would advise them not to throw stones in a glass house, oh but I forgot, they’re forgiven once and forever once they become a Christian. Life is great Tom, Peace. Popeman
The love of Christ is really coming through now. Look at all the mud slinging. Did you know that there are also rumors that Hitler was one-quarter Jewish from his grandmother side, so I guess if he is part Jewish the state of his atrocities fall on the Jews, too. Great analogy…blow the whistles, toot your horns and shoot off the fireworks.. It is ironic that some Christians know about as much history that simply supports their view of a glorified pristine Protestant history.
They also forget that the Pope was hiding Jews at the Vatican, basically as an “underground” railroad for them to escape the Nazi’s (like the slaves from the South). Yes, the slaves said “massah, massah” in front of their white owners but at night were smuggling everyone out, so I guess if the Pope was saying “massah, massah, hail Hitler” but was smuggling Jews away from death I guess that is OK. It also appears that some Protestants would also slam Rahab for hiding spies and lying to the troops of the from the King of Jericho because she dared to even talk to such a man. I would say “Go girl”! But then, I’m a catholic Christian, not Protestant.
If you are interested, the computer is full of interesting facts of those that have fallen in faith, in all faiths, but as it would appear from your friend’s who forget that there are thousands of Protestant ministers/preachers who do the ugly deed. Doubt it? Go to [ http://reformation.com/ ] and see the chronicled list of Protestants from merely the late 70’s. There are thousands of Protestant faiths so the crimes against humanity are harder to document because no one Protestant faith speaks for the pack…yea, baby, Free Will! Free Doctrine! Free Scriptural interpretation!
In case you dare not look, maybe I can bring a few to refresh everyone's memories…Tony Alamo, 2008, Tony Alamo Christian Ministries, child pornography ,child abuse, sexual abuse and polygamy .
In 2007, Senator Chuck Grassley probes into the finances of six televangelists, Kenneth /Gloria Copeland Kenneth Copeland Ministries of Newark, Texas; Creflo Dollar and Taffi Dollar of World Changers Church International and Creflo Dollar Ministries of College Park, Ga; Benny Hinn of World Healing Center Church Inc. and Benny Hinn Ministries of Grapevine, Texas; Eddie L. Long of New Birth Missionary Baptist Church and Bishop Eddie Long Ministries of Lithonia, Ga; Joyce Meyer and David Meyer of Joyce Meyer Ministries of Fenton, Mo; Randy White and Paula White of the multiracial Without Walls International Church and Paula White Ministries of Tampa . All preach a "prosperity gospel".[27] The probe follows years of reports of high living and lavish lifestyles by televangelists including fleets of Rolls Royces, huge palatial mansions, private jets and other excesses paid for with monies from, more often than not, poor television viewers who donate due to the ministries incessant pleading for tithings
Joe Barron, one of the 40 ministers at Prestonwood Baptist Church, one of the largest churches in the United States with 26,000 members, was arrested on May 15, 2008 for solicitation of a minor after driving from the Dallas area to Bryan, Texas, in order to allegedly engage in sexual relations with what he thought to be a 13 year-old girl he had met online.
Coy Privette, 2007, a Baptist pastor, conservative activist, and politician in the U.S. state of North Carolina. Privette was president of the Christian Action League and a prominent figure in North Carolina moral battles. In 2007, Privette resigned as president of North Carolina's Christian Action League and from the Board of Directors of the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina, following revelations on July 19 that he had been charged with six counts of aiding and abetting prostitution.
Richard Roberts, 2007, televangelist (son of Oral Roberts), was president of Oral Roberts University until his forced resignation as a defendant in a lawsuit alleging improper use of university funds for political and personal purposes and improper use of university resources.
Bishop Earl Paulk, 2007, the founder and head Pastor of Chapel Hill Harvester Church in Decatur, Georgia from 1960 until the 1990s. A number of women from the congregation came forward during the 1990s claiming that Paulk had sexual relations with them. Some of these claims have subsequently been proven correct. Moreover, Donnie Earl Paulk, the current senior pastor of the church and nephew of Earl Paulk, had a court-ordered DNA test in 2007 which showed that he was Earl's son, not his nephew, which means that Earl and his sister-in-law had had a sexual relationship which led to Donnie's birth.
Pastor Paul Barnes, 2006, is the founder and former senior minister of the evangelical church Grace Chapel in Douglas County, Colorado. He confessed his homosexual activity to the church board, and his resignation was accepted on 7 December 2006. He started the church in his basement and watched it reach a membership of 2,100 in his 28 years of leadership.
Lonnie Latham, 2006, the senior pastor of South Tulsa Baptist Church and a member of the powerful Southern Baptist Convention Executive Committee, was arrested for “offering to engage in an act of lewdness” with a male undercover police officer.
Pastor Ted Haggard, 2006, was the Pastor of the New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado and was the president of the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE) from 2003 until November 2006. In 2006 it was alleged that Haggard had been regularly visiting a male prostitute who also provided him with crystal methamphetamine. Haggard admitted his wrongdoing and resigned as pastor of New Life church and as president of the NAE.
Frank Houston, 2000, was a Pentecostal Christian pastor in the Assemblies of God in New Zealand and Australia. In 2000 he was advised to resign his ministerial credentials by his own son, Brian Houston, the National President of the Assemblies of God in Australia (and pastor of Hillsong Church), after Houston Sr. confessed that he had engaged in pedophile sexual activities with a teenage boy while ministering in New Zealand some thirty years earlier.
Pastor Robert Tilton, 1991, a televangelist who achieved notoriety in the 1980s and early 1990s through his paid television program Success-N-Life. At its peak it aired in all 235 American TV markets. An investigation, broadcast on ABC's Primetime Live on November 21, 1991, found that Tilton's ministry threw away prayer requests without reading them, keeping only the money or valuables sent to them by viewers, garnering his ministry an estimated $80 million a year. In the original investigation, one of Tilton's former prayer hotline operators claimed that the ministry cared little for desperate followers who called for prayer, saying that Tilton had a computer installed in July 1989 to make sure that the phone operators were off the line in seven minutes.
Peter Popoff, 1987, self-proclaimed prophet and faith healer in the 1980s, Popoff's ministry went bankrupt in 1987 after James Randi and Steve Shaw debunked his methods by showing that instead of receiving information about audience members from supernatural sources, he received it through an in-ear receiver.
Jim & Tammy Bakker and Jimmy Swaggart, 1986 and 1991, were involved on-screen attacks against each other involving Marvin Gorman and Jim Bakker. It was discovered that Gorman's affair with a member of Gorman's congregation, and also helped expose Bakker's infidelity (which was arranged by a colleague while on an out-of-state trip).[ These exposures received widespread media coverage. Gorman retaliated in kind by hiring a private investigator to uncover Swaggart's own adulterous indiscretions with a prostitute.
Swaggart was caught again by California police five years later in 1991 with another prostitute, Rosemary Garcia, who was riding with him in his car when he was stopped for driving on the wrong side of the road. When asked why she was with Swaggart, she replied, "He asked me for sex. I mean, that's why he stopped me. That's what I do. I'm a prostitute."
Pastor Billy James Hargis, early 1970s, was a prolific author and radio evangelist. Hargis formed American Christian College in 1971 in order to teach fundamentalist Christian principles. However, a sex scandal erupted at the College, involving claims that Hargis had had sex with male and female students. Hargis was forced out of American Christian College's presidency as a result. Further scandals erupted when members of Hargis' youth choir, the "All American Kids", accused Hargis of sexual misconduct as well.
So Tom, if you want to read more than go to http://reformation.com/ about how pristine pure your Protestant friends think they are. I would advise them not to throw stones in a glass house, oh but I forgot, they’re forgiven once and forever once they become a Christian. Life is great Tom, Peace. Popeman
Re: Does The Ark Represent Jesus? or Mary?
Spoken like a true rock thrower!popeman wrote:I would advise them not to throw stones in a glass house, oh but I forgot, they’re forgiven once and forever once they become a Christian. Life is great Tom, Peace. Popeman
Does this mean you're going to take your, "Mary is too the Ark of the Covenant ball" and go home now or are you one of those kids that sits in the corner of the yard, pouts, and calls names at the other kids that decide to keep playin'?
"Mary is too the Ark of the Covenant, uh huh, she is too! She is too! She is too!" I'm surprised you haven't threatened to have your dad come here and beat us all up!
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Guys, if we can't keep this on topic and leave the ad hominem in the dust, I'm going to start deleting these posts. Seriously, we're brothers here. Let's act like it.
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Sorry Darin. Sometimes I let certain things get to me. Avoiding the topic by inserting incendiary posts is a rues I should simply ignore. Again, I'm sorry. Tom & popeman...peace brothers. Though it may not seems like it I have no ill will against either of you.darinhouston wrote:Guys, if we can't keep this on topic and leave the ad hominem in the dust, I'm going to start deleting these posts. Seriously, we're brothers here. Let's act like it.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860
You Are Israel
Sabbath Truth
Heavenly Sanctuary
You Are Israel
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Heavenly Sanctuary
Re: Does The Ark Represent Jesus? or Mary?
darinhouston
You've given me a lot to digest in, "I Believe in the Communion of Saints" An Evangelical Perspective. It will take me awhile to review it. Just breezing over it I have a question.
Steve Gregg and many Christians believe 'absent from the body present with the Lord'. Once again, I haven't looked closely at the 'Evangelical Perspective' but when we are present with the Lord are we somehow not alive?
Tom
You've given me a lot to digest in, "I Believe in the Communion of Saints" An Evangelical Perspective. It will take me awhile to review it. Just breezing over it I have a question.
Steve Gregg and many Christians believe 'absent from the body present with the Lord'. Once again, I haven't looked closely at the 'Evangelical Perspective' but when we are present with the Lord are we somehow not alive?
Tom
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Well, even if that's what 2 cor 5 says, I don't know for sure what it means. I think it's quite possible that from the earthly perspective, time will have passed, but since they will be "alive" only in the spiritual realm, time may not have the same meaning and time may not seem to have passed from Abraham's death to Christ's return, so I probably hold a middle position between "soul sleep" and the conscious life of the saints in heaven. We're not told much about it, and I prefer not to develop doctrine around something so speculative (as I believe RC have).tom wrote:darinhouston
You've given me a lot to digest in, "I Believe in the Communion of Saints" An Evangelical Perspective. It will take me awhile to review it. Just breezing over it I have a question.
Steve Gregg and many Christians believe 'absent from the body present with the Lord'. Once again, I haven't looked closely at the 'Evangelical Perspective' but when we are present with the Lord are we somehow not alive?
Tom
In any event, "alive" spiritually in heaven with Christ does not seem to have the same meaning as "alive" here on earth, and the great chasm between hades/heaven/earth etc. would suggest that there is no way to communicate or observe across it (unless you're God of course).
Also, consider the actual text -- it doesn't say we ARE present but WISH TO be present.
2 Corinthians 5:6-8 (New American Standard Bible)
6Therefore, being always of good courage, and knowing that (A)while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord--
7for (B)we walk by faith, not by sight--
8we are of good courage, I say, and (C)prefer rather to be absent from the body and (D)to be at home with the Lord.
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I'm not sure this text is intended to teach us anything necesssarily about the reality of the intermediate state prior to Christ's return, but instead to recognize that when this life is over, we can look forward to the very real presence of the Lord. It is possible, though, considering our belief that we will indeed be in our resurrected bodies and therefore not "absent from the body," upon Christ's return that this is merely hyperbole from Paul indicating his frustration shared with all believers regarding the present limitations of our war with the flesh and the extent to which even in our salvation we are somewhat separated from Christ in a way that we one day will not be.
It could, also, merely be a simple way for Paul to say we wish we could go ahead and proceed to glory but have a job to do here and we should rejoice in that. In any case, this does not sound the sort of statement in context to support a larger doctrinal position with regard to the afterlife or intermediate state.
It could, also, merely be a simple way for Paul to say we wish we could go ahead and proceed to glory but have a job to do here and we should rejoice in that. In any case, this does not sound the sort of statement in context to support a larger doctrinal position with regard to the afterlife or intermediate state.
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I think one always comes before two.
Paul explained to those at Corinth in his first letter to them *when* they could expect change from mortal to immortal. Change happens "In a moment" and as fast as the "twinkling of an eye" and specifically "at the last trump." I think this is quite consistent with other epistles that Paul wrote. "Last trump" is code, in my mind, for the last trumpet blast made during the "Day of Atonement" when we are finally able to rejoin the Father and enjoy His presence.
Lev 25:9 Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth [day] of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.
When Paul explains in his second letter to the Corinthians that he would rather be "absent from the body and present with the Lord" I think it is clear his understanding was the same as what is commonly explained throughout scripture - namely we "await our change" in the grave:
Job 14:13 O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! 14 If a man die, shall he live [again]? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.
Darin, I also wanted to point out that I don't necessarily see our new bodies as being "spiritual" as much as being a completely different "physical" form that man cannot simply comprehend. Jesus sat at meat with Cleopas and his companion and yet "vanished" into thin air. Jesus asked the disciples to touch him and told them He was not a "spirit" because a spirit does not have flesh and bones. Jesus "ate" broiled fish and honeycomb in His glorified body and yet was able to readily pass through dimensions unknown. A body that can pass through dimensions and still eat? That is certainly a body I want!
Paul explained to those at Corinth in his first letter to them *when* they could expect change from mortal to immortal. Change happens "In a moment" and as fast as the "twinkling of an eye" and specifically "at the last trump." I think this is quite consistent with other epistles that Paul wrote. "Last trump" is code, in my mind, for the last trumpet blast made during the "Day of Atonement" when we are finally able to rejoin the Father and enjoy His presence.
Lev 25:9 Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth [day] of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.
When Paul explains in his second letter to the Corinthians that he would rather be "absent from the body and present with the Lord" I think it is clear his understanding was the same as what is commonly explained throughout scripture - namely we "await our change" in the grave:
Job 14:13 O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! 14 If a man die, shall he live [again]? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.
Darin, I also wanted to point out that I don't necessarily see our new bodies as being "spiritual" as much as being a completely different "physical" form that man cannot simply comprehend. Jesus sat at meat with Cleopas and his companion and yet "vanished" into thin air. Jesus asked the disciples to touch him and told them He was not a "spirit" because a spirit does not have flesh and bones. Jesus "ate" broiled fish and honeycomb in His glorified body and yet was able to readily pass through dimensions unknown. A body that can pass through dimensions and still eat? That is certainly a body I want!
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860
You Are Israel
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I definitely agree with this one -- did I imply otherwise? If so, I need to clarify something because I definitely don't believe our "resurrected bodies" upon Christ's return to be merely spiritual.RND wrote:Darin, I also wanted to point out that I don't necessarily see our new bodies as being "spiritual" as much as being a completely different "physical" form that man cannot simply comprehend. Jesus sat at meat with Cleopas and his companion and yet "vanished" into thin air. Jesus asked the disciples to touch him and told them He was not a "spirit" because a spirit does not have flesh and bones. Jesus "ate" broiled fish and honeycomb in His glorified body and yet was able to readily pass through dimensions unknown. A body that can pass through dimensions and still eat? That is certainly a body I want!