Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:12 pm
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I cannot answer for popeman but my reason is I want to obay Jesus and please the Father. Read my post....karenprtlnd wrote:Hi Tom ,
Hey- Tom and Mr.Popeman, how come your Roman Catholic?
So when you said the Kingdom can't be the Catholic Church because the Kingdom is not of this world only half of the Kingdom is on earth? Your answer falls perfectly into the Catholic Kingdom picture. Remember in Matt 16 Jesus gives Peter, (the rock), the keys of Heaven which must be the keys of earth also!!! "And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."Murf wrote:Tom
your question about "Just for clairifacation, is His Kingdom in heaven? If not where is it?" could start a whole thread of its own. Probabaly already has somewhere on this foroum.
My (short answer) view is that the Kingdom is everyone who submits to Jesus' Kingship. Everyone already in Heaven and those on earth who submit.
Now I'm obviously not getting my point across. If you are saying the RCC is like Korah!? The RCC doesn't want to 'overthrow Christ's authority' ! Christ gave that authority to Peter! If Moses is a prefigurement of Jesus who has all authority, (Moses/Jesus). Jesus gives His authority to Simon and builds His Church on Peter, (the rock)!steve wrote:Tom,
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You wish to build your case upon a survey of Old Testament history—yet your survey is confusing. I am aware that Moses established a pastoral hierarchy under himself, but does Moses, in your analogy, represent Christ, or Peter? Since the apostles saw Jesus (not Peter) as a second Moses (see Acts 3:22-23; 7:37), I am assuming that you are making this same comparison. In that case, Korah would represent those who wish to overthrow Christ's leadership. Evangelicals have no such intention. They actually want to recover the leadership of Christ from the usurping "Korah" whose rule you advocate.During Moses' reign we see this same question of authority. Moses set his people/Gods people up with a multi level authority system, Ex 18:13-26. Then we see some didn't like the set-up and wanted to change the whole thing, and why not, they are all praying to the same God, right? Then in Num, 16:31 we see Korah and his followers wanted to change that. They wanted to have their own authority, why not, God is with us also! We see what happened to them in Num 16:31-33.
If you are saying that evangelicals are like Korah because they wish to overthrow Christ's appointed hierarchy (under Peter), then your analogy doesn't work at all—first, since we have no evidence that Korah wished to overthrow the hierarchy—he just wanted to supplant Moses—and second, because you have not shown (only asserted) that Jesus ever set up a hereditary hierarchy where the authority of Peter and the apostles was to be passed down to apostolic successors in each generation (that is not what Moses set up anyway). Therefore, to reject the Roman Catholic hierarchy is not analogous to rejecting the authority of Moses—or of Christ.