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by kaufmannphillips
Sun Dec 28, 2008 7:06 pm
Forum: Roman Catholicism
Topic: Patron Saint Joseph of Home Sales
Replies: 103
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Michelle wrote: Perhaps Jesus used the full arsenal of rhetorical devices to make his points, and we should be more concerned about getting those points than creating doctrines from the incidental details which were just a means to arrive there? It is possible that Jesus used a rhetorical device he...
by kaufmannphillips
Sun Dec 28, 2008 6:26 pm
Forum: Roman Catholicism
Topic: Patron Saint Joseph of Home Sales
Replies: 103
Views: 41551

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kaufmannphillips wrote: Whomever's. In which of his other parables does he paint a story in terms that do not match up with the actual universe? RND wrote: If the answer is none would it diminish the point made in Luke 16:19-31 regarding the Pharisees adultery towards the scriptures? The major them...
by kaufmannphillips
Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:25 am
Forum: Roman Catholicism
Topic: Patron Saint Joseph of Home Sales
Replies: 103
Views: 41551

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Whomever's. In which of his other parables does he paint a story in terms that do not match up with the actual universe? Well, mustard seeds don't grow into trees. And, although I guess it's not strictly a parable, no one in his right mind would have a mountain go skating off into the sea since the...
by kaufmannphillips
Sat Dec 27, 2008 10:53 pm
Forum: Roman Catholicism
Topic: Patron Saint Joseph of Home Sales
Replies: 103
Views: 41551

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kaufmannphillips wrote: Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob weren't buried? darinhouston wrote: I suspect you know what I meant -- it refers to the fact that they were alive at one time and not that they were alive after their burial. You might want to check the context of Jesus' comment again. It is not abo...
by kaufmannphillips
Sat Dec 27, 2008 10:38 pm
Forum: Roman Catholicism
Topic: Patron Saint Joseph of Home Sales
Replies: 103
Views: 41551

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kaufmannphillips wrote: In which of Jesus' other parables does he make use of falsehoods about the universe? RND wrote: Who's falsehoods, the Pharisees perhaps, that had adopted the Hellenistic duality of man? Whomever's. In which of his other parables does he paint a story in terms that do not mat...
by kaufmannphillips
Sat Dec 27, 2008 10:00 pm
Forum: Roman Catholicism
Topic: Patron Saint Joseph of Home Sales
Replies: 103
Views: 41551

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darinhouston wrote: The fact that they may continue to be "related" to us doesn't say anything about them being alive or conscious or able to hear our prayers. That's just fabricated out of whole cloth. If they could exegete SOMETHING -- ANYTHING other than conjecture I could respect their view -- ...
by kaufmannphillips
Sat Dec 27, 2008 9:50 pm
Forum: Roman Catholicism
Topic: Patron Saint Joseph of Home Sales
Replies: 103
Views: 41551

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kaufmannphillips wrote: That scripture was written before the work of Jesus. RND wrote: So? It doesn't make it irrelevant does it? "All scripture...." Not necessarily irrelevant. But one could postulate a change in circumstances since the time of the psalm. kaufmannphillips wrote: Jesus is quoted a...
by kaufmannphillips
Sat Dec 27, 2008 9:33 pm
Forum: Roman Catholicism
Topic: Patron Saint Joseph of Home Sales
Replies: 103
Views: 41551

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So you do think of them as dead? Keating once more: "One thing that certainly can be said is that those in heaven are alive to G-d. 'Have you never read in the book of Moses how G-d spoke to him at the burning bush, and said, 'I am the G-d of Abraham, and the G-d of Isaac, and the G-d of Jacob?' Ye...
by kaufmannphillips
Sat Dec 27, 2008 9:18 pm
Forum: Roman Catholicism
Topic: Patron Saint Joseph of Home Sales
Replies: 103
Views: 41551

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To re-post: Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name. Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil, for thi...
by kaufmannphillips
Sat Dec 27, 2008 9:16 pm
Forum: Roman Catholicism
Topic: Patron Saint Joseph of Home Sales
Replies: 103
Views: 41551

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Was Satan right then? Is man truly immortal? Or, as the scriptures plainly teach, "His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish." Psalms 146:4 That scripture was written before the work of Jesus. Jesus is quoted as describing lots of thinking after physica...

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