Baptism of Repentance for the Remission of sin

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Post by _sab » Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:41 am

Paidon, you said
"Paul, however, knew that when a person was baptized, he received the Spirit of God. Since these disciples hadn't, there must have been a problem with their baptism. While Jesus lived on earth He said, "for it [the Spirit] dwells with you, and will be in you." So those who received John's baptism did not receive the Spirit to dwell within them permanently, nor did those who received Christ's baptism before He died and was raised. But after He was raised, those who were baptized received the Spirit, even as Peter said they would. "
However Acts 8 challenges that. It says the Samaritans were baptised by Philip (a disciple of Jesus) but they had not yet received the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

I believe in Acts 19 the disciples of John had not heard enough about Jesus or the baptism of the Spirit to make their baptism valid. (Which pretty much totally invalidates infant sprinkling - a baby neither hears nor understands the gospel, neither can he repent) Apollos, on the other hand, was well versed in messianic prophecy, though may also not have been spirit-filled when Priscilla and Aquilla heard him preach Jesus - they took him aside and told him the gospel more perfectly.
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Post by _Thomas » Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:57 am

Sab:

Acts 8: 16 because the Holy Spirit had not yet come upon any of them; they had simply been baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus. NIV
16 For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. NKJV

This seems to say that they were not properly baptised as instructed by the Lord.


Matt.28 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Acts 19: 4 Paul said, "John's baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus." 5 On hearing this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.

This would agree with what Paidion is saying. John's baptism was no longer valid and they needed to be re-baptised properly in order to recieve the Holy Spirit.

(Which pretty much totally invalidates infant sprinkling - a baby neither hears nor understands the gospel, neither can he repent)
Not really , a baby has no need of repentence , they have nothing to repent of.

Thomas
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