Kingdom of Heaven

[Guest]

When I hear people talk about the "Kingdom of Heaven" as mentioned in the gospels I often hear the idea of "already but not yet". This also seems to be the phrase, if I understand it correctly, that progressive dispensationalists use when referring to eschatology. So I was wondering if there is a different preterist perspective on the "Kingdom of God" than the "already but not yet" perspective? If so I would be glad to hear what it is.

Turner

[Guest]

This probably won't help much, but the basic 'already, not yet' idea seems hard to not agree with from NT scripture. I myself use the term; however, I think people use the term to describe a whole host of different ideas. For example, I have heard the phrase 'the powers of the coming age breaking in' used in prayer. Apparently, this person believes that the kingdom can 'come' in a particular incident, for example, to bring healing to a sick person.

I don't really see it that way... I see it more that the kingdom is here already in that Jesus has brought the new covenant/established the church - which are synonymous with bringing the kingdom of God. But, the kingdom won't be here in completion until the judgment/resurrection and establishment of the renewed heaven/earth.

THats my tidbit, anyhow.

[Guest]

This is just a test.

God bless everyone.

[Guest]

I think all non hyper-preterists can use the term

To be more accurate, wouldn't a premillennialist have to say:

Now (present), and not fully then (millennium), and then fully (eternity)

Only a/post millennialists can say now (millennium) and not yet (eternity)