Omniscience of Jesus question

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In teaching Mk 5:21-43 today the following verse

30: And Jesus, immediately knowing in Himself that power had gone out of Him, turned around in the crowd and said, "Who touched My clothes?"

started a discussion about the Omniscience of Jesus.
I think the bible teaches that Jesus was under certain human limitations being the God/Man one of them being that Jesus didn’t know all things during his recorded years here on earth. I had 3 separate people disagree with that assertion. I relied on the following verse to validate my claim.

Mat 24:36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only”

I briefly explained my understanding from the word on the subject and then had to dismiss the Sunday school class (out of time). Is my understanding way off?


Thanks
Paul

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i dont think you are way off. jesus did veil aspects of his deity while on earth. There are some problematic passages, however. He knew that lazarus had died; he knew peter would deny him, etc etc. these may be explained by the fact that he was filled with the Spirit, and he may have been given special revelation by the HS (as opposed to knowing himself). jesus operated in all of the spiritual gifts (but tongues is never mentioned).

TK

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You gave a good answer because Jesus, himself, said he didn't know all things. In Luke 2:52 we are told that Jesus grew in wisdom and stature. For him to grow in wisdom means he had to learn things he didn't already know. I believe Jesus knew exactly what his father wanted him to know at any given moment. He said the words he spoke were not his own, but the words of his Father. I'm not sure why some Christians protest this particular teaching of scripture. God's Son took on the limitations of humanity for a time. It was an act of humility ( Phil. 2:8 ).

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Hello, JC,

God's Son took on the limitations of humanity for a time.

Only for a time? Has Jesus ceased to be human?


Shlamaa,
Emmet

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Quote:
God's Son took on the limitations of humanity for a time.


Only for a time? Has Jesus ceased to be human?

I said that Jesus took on the limitations of humanity for a time. I don't think Jesus, in his resurrected body, still gets sleepy or hungry. He did eat fish with his disciples but this was probably to prove his physicality and not to appease his appetite.

So, I'd have to answer your question with a question... what do you mean by "human?"

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Though it's uncomfortable, I suppose, for some to discuss the issue, it seems to me that Jesus took on all sorts of limitations when He took on flesh.

God is Spirit (John 4:24)
God is complete (Matthew 5:48 )
God can’t be tempted (James 1:13)
God is all-knowing (Hebrews 4:13)
God is all-powerful (Isaiah 40:28 )
God can’t die (1 Timothy 1:17)

Jesus came in the flesh (John 1:14)
Jesus was incomplete (Luke 2:52, Hebrews 2:10)
Jesus was tempted (Mark 1:13)
Jesus didn’t know everything (Matt 24:36)
Jesus grew weary (Matthew 8:24)
Jesus died (Mark 15:37)

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Hi, JC,

You're keeping me busy, here .

So, I'd have to answer your question with a question... what do you mean by "human?"

Kingdom: Animalia

Phylum: Chordata

Class: Mammalia

Order: Primates

Family: Hominidae

Genus: Homo

Species: H. sapiens

With DNA that falls within the standard spread of deviation for human organisms.

I said that Jesus took on the limitations of humanity for a time. I don't think Jesus, in his resurrected body, still gets sleepy or hungry. He did eat fish with his disciples but this was probably to prove his physicality and not to appease his appetite.

Do you think that it is God's creative intention for humans not to sleep or eat? Did Adam and Eve (should their narrative be historical) generally need to eat and/or sleep, prior to the impact of sin?

The broader question: is Jesus viewed as only temporarily human, or permanently a partaker in human nature?


Shlamaa,
Emmet

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Hello, Matt,

Though it's uncomfortable, I suppose, for some to discuss the issue, it seems to me that Jesus took on all sorts of limitations when He took on flesh.

God is Spirit (John 4:24)
God is complete (Matthew 5:48 )
God can’t be tempted (James 1:13)
God is all-knowing (Hebrews 4:13)
God is all-powerful (Isaiah 40:28 )
God can’t die (1 Timothy 1:17)

Jesus came in the flesh (John 1:14)
Jesus was incomplete (Luke 2:52, Hebrews 2:10)
Jesus was tempted (Mark 1:13)
Jesus didn’t know everything (Matt 24:36)
Jesus grew weary (Matthew 8:24)
Jesus died (Mark 15:37)

This being the case, do you think that Jesus retains those limitations even now?

Or for the more important question: if Jesus differs from God in all these respects, how shall one assert that he is God?


Shlamaa,
Emmet

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Hi Emmett--

i would agree with your above progression of what Jesus is (biologically speaking), but I would add another category beyond homo sapiens, namely, "something else." i believe that Jesus retains his human nature but it is not purely a human nature. can i explain this? nope. Paul said that some day we will be like Jesus (in his resurrection state) which of course implies that we will be something different than we are now, i.e. not 100% human. i hope i havent said anything heretical; if so I didnt mean to. Its just seems that Jesus can't be 100% human in his resurrected state, because he was able to appear and disappear and things like that. 100% humans can't do that, to my knowledge.

TK

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Hello, TK,

Thank you for your response.

Paul said that some day we will be like Jesus (in his resurrection state) which of course implies that we will be something different than we are now, i.e. not 100% human.

Could I trouble you for a verse reference here?

Its just seems that Jesus can't be 100% human in his resurrected state, because he was able to appear and disappear and things like that. 100% humans can't do that, to my knowledge.

I don't think that too much can be gleaned from those phenomena, because such things could be possible for "100% humans" by the power of the spirit (cf. Acts 8:39?).

Shlamaa,
Emmet