Free Charts on Daniel and Revelation

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Free Charts on Daniel and Revelation

Post by freebook » Sat Dec 06, 2008 3:39 pm

Hello Friends,

For those interested in the Prophesies of Daniel and Revelation, you might be interested in downloading this free set of charts. http://www.wake-up.org/Charts/TheChartBook.htm

Also here is a video that gives an explanation of the charts. You might begin to see that there is a great tribulation coming soon in the future, and that it did not already happen in 70 AD like some have been led to believe.
http://www.wake-up.com/Videos/214/214_87_256k.ram

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Re: Free Charts on Daniel and Revelation

Post by Paidion » Sat Dec 06, 2008 5:37 pm

When I was 20 years old, I had my charts for prophetic events, and was sharing them with every Christian I knew. I had it all figured out!

Now, I acknowledge that I know nothing about the future, except God's Great Plan for the Fullness of Time, to unite everything in Christ (Ephesians 1:8-11 ).

Other than this, none of the prophecies for the future HAVE TO happen! If people repent, God changes His mind about His judgment upon them. If His own people rebel against Him, God changes His mind about the ways in which He intended to bless them.
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Re: Free Charts on Daniel and Revelation

Post by freebook » Sun Dec 07, 2008 2:46 am

Do you really believe the world is going to repent? The time has come for God's judgements to fall on this sinful planet. The prophesies and time periods of Daniel and Revelation were placed in the Bible for our benefit to be studied so that we will not lose faith when these things begin to happen. The book of Daniel has now been unsealed and new truth is now being revealed through valid rules of interpetation. Don't be too quick to write this off. God bless

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Re: Free Charts on Daniel and Revelation

Post by Paidion » Sun Dec 07, 2008 1:15 pm

No, I don't believe the world is going to repent. I believe the world may repent.

When God looked at the hearts of the Ninevites, He saw only evil. It appeared that they would never repent. So He gave the unconditional prophecy through Jonah, “Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown!”

However, the Ninevites, like everyone else, had free will. They repented.How did God respond?

When God saw what they did, how they turned from their evil ways, God changed his mind about the calamity that he had said he would bring upon them; and he did not do it. Jonah 3:10 NRSV
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Re: Free Charts on Daniel and Revelation

Post by steve » Sun Dec 07, 2008 5:45 pm

Freebook wrote:
The time has come for God's judgements to fall on this sinful planet.
On what authority do you base this speculation? Hal Lindsey told me this forty years (a generation?) ago, and many other "prophecy experts" said the same thing through previous centuries. Eventually, someone will be right. But why should we think it is the present batch of speculators?
The prophesies and time periods of Daniel and Revelation were placed in the Bible for our benefit to be studied so that we will not lose faith when these things begin to happen.
I have never understood how it is that having a proper understanding of the "end times" would be necessary to prevent Christians from losing their faith. Is it because the times will be hard? The Bible often (without any reference to end times) tells us to expect hardship and tribulation in this life (e.g., Matt.5:10-12/John 16:33/1 Thess.3:3-4/ 1 Pet.4:12). Are not these warnings enough? It would not be necessary to spell out the specific events—or for us to know them in advance—in order for those who are already prepared to suffer for Christ to hold on to Him in any trials that may come. This idea that we must be informed in advance of certain hardships, or else we might defect from Christ, seems to presuppose that Christians are not generally prepared for hardships, and would turn from Christ in trials. I still have trouble seeing why anyone who really knew and loved Jesus would bail on Him in the hour of greatest need for His assistance.

But, allowing that some may be inclined to do just that, would not an emphasis on the cost of discipleship, in general, be even more useful as a remedy, than putting forth the 99th speculative (and failed) attempt to identify the time of the end of the world?
The book of Daniel has now been unsealed and new truth is now being revealed through valid rules of interpetation.
I doubt that this is the case. If the truth can be known "through valid rules of interpretation," in what sense was the material sealed prior to this? Would not the valid rules of interpretation, if employed, have brought this truth to light at any time in history? The most valid (and safest) rule of interpretation of prophecy would seem to be the one that Jesus taught: "When God predicts something, and then it actually happens, you know that God was the one who predicted it." According to Jesus, this is the primary purpose for God's predicting the future (John 13:19; 14:29).

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