Re: Jesus is God
Posted: Thu May 04, 2023 8:46 pm
Homer>>>Jesus can not simultaneously be both Father and Son<<<
Dizerner>>>Jesus called the Father's will “not my will.”<<<
Yes, there is (creation needs there to be) the reality of OTHER in the Being of God. The very spiritual NATURE of creation, in that it is essentially (simply / really) expressed thoughts (words), calls for this... else there is no escape from (even) pan(en)theism.
God and His creation “coexist” in each other's presence, just as our thoughts coexist with us. So, unless there is the (ontological) spiritual reality of what OTHER(ness) IS (itself) there is no REAL “difference” (space) between God and creation, and something like Hegelianism is, logically, a direct (inescapable) inference.
The ontological distinction of God and Creation is to be found in the ontological distinction of God and the Word (John 1). God establishes the ontological distinction that creation needs (in order to produce the fruit He seeks : the existence of truly other beings in a love relationship with Him) by existing in His Trinitarian (Creative) State. This State of Being is a state of OTHER, and “now”... what the reality of OTHER...IS...is as real as He IS : there is the absolute (ontological) spiritual reality of OTHER...for this is our God (Creator) Himself!
I believe God's testimony concerning the nature of creation. I look around at the “natural world” in which I am embedded and I “see” His words (expressed thoughts)...not the cold hard world of the material / physical reality we have defaulted to in our fallen state. The veil isn't (perfectly) gone, but my faith almost sees right through it after all these (grace-filled) decades with Him (Acts 17: 28).
The Father is other than (not) the Son, the Son is other than (not) the Father. This “otherness” is essential to the “otherness” that Creation is vis-a-vis the Creator. It is because of His triune existence that Creation can be both in Him, but “organically” distinct from Him. When the Word became flesh He brought the Divine Nature into our organically distinct reality, and by the way He lived, died, and rose again He organically changed it. Forgiveness and holiness are as much a part of our reality now as are the mountains and trees...no wonder they shout and clap their hands!
Dizerner>>>Jesus called the Father's will “not my will.”<<<
Yes, there is (creation needs there to be) the reality of OTHER in the Being of God. The very spiritual NATURE of creation, in that it is essentially (simply / really) expressed thoughts (words), calls for this... else there is no escape from (even) pan(en)theism.
God and His creation “coexist” in each other's presence, just as our thoughts coexist with us. So, unless there is the (ontological) spiritual reality of what OTHER(ness) IS (itself) there is no REAL “difference” (space) between God and creation, and something like Hegelianism is, logically, a direct (inescapable) inference.
The ontological distinction of God and Creation is to be found in the ontological distinction of God and the Word (John 1). God establishes the ontological distinction that creation needs (in order to produce the fruit He seeks : the existence of truly other beings in a love relationship with Him) by existing in His Trinitarian (Creative) State. This State of Being is a state of OTHER, and “now”... what the reality of OTHER...IS...is as real as He IS : there is the absolute (ontological) spiritual reality of OTHER...for this is our God (Creator) Himself!
I believe God's testimony concerning the nature of creation. I look around at the “natural world” in which I am embedded and I “see” His words (expressed thoughts)...not the cold hard world of the material / physical reality we have defaulted to in our fallen state. The veil isn't (perfectly) gone, but my faith almost sees right through it after all these (grace-filled) decades with Him (Acts 17: 28).
The Father is other than (not) the Son, the Son is other than (not) the Father. This “otherness” is essential to the “otherness” that Creation is vis-a-vis the Creator. It is because of His triune existence that Creation can be both in Him, but “organically” distinct from Him. When the Word became flesh He brought the Divine Nature into our organically distinct reality, and by the way He lived, died, and rose again He organically changed it. Forgiveness and holiness are as much a part of our reality now as are the mountains and trees...no wonder they shout and clap their hands!