Nature of the Atonement

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Nature of the Atonement

Post by dalibor » Thu Feb 11, 2010 9:56 am

There are mainly four views out there to explain God's Atonement:

1. The Christus Victor model: the atonement is a divine conflict and victory in which Jesus fights against and triumphs over the evil powers of the world.

2. The Penal Substitution model: "the Father, because of his love for human beings, sent his Son...to satisfy God's justice, so that Christ took the place of sinners. The punishment and penalty we deserved was laid on Jesus Christ instead of us, so that in the cross both God's holiness and love are manifested." (p. 67)

3. The Healing model: the atonement is primiarly a healing/restoration from sin and its resultant sickness.

4. The Kaleidoscopic model: the atonement is understood in multiple ways and no one theory has priority over the others.

How is the best to view these? One view more dominant over the rest or are they all of equal value of viewing biblical description of atonement?
I'm new to this debate so I don't really know the bone of contention between these 4 views.
I know Atonement is central to Christian faith and knowing that there are many critics of Christianity from different backgrounds(naturalism, judaism, islam, hinduism etc.), what are the non-negotiables in discussing these views?

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Re: Nature of the Atonement

Post by darinhouston » Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:35 am

I lean towards the Kaleidoscope.

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Re: Nature of the Atonement

Post by steve7150 » Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:42 am

Just my opinion but i think the propitiation or satisfaction of God's justice is first and then that allows the other secondary effects of this to kick in like,
the defeat of the devil, the restoration of man and Jesus becoming as an example for us.

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Re: Nature of the Atonement

Post by TK » Fri Feb 12, 2010 12:58 pm

i tend to agree with you, steve. but i know if Paidion was still posting that he would disagree!

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Re: Nature of the Atonement

Post by steve7150 » Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:19 pm

i tend to agree with you, steve. but i know if Paidion was still posting that he would disagree!




Maybe Paidion might have cut us some slack and agree his view was part of restoration, but maybe not, in fact probably not.
What the heck happened to him?

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Re: Nature of the Atonement

Post by darinhouston » Fri Feb 12, 2010 9:27 pm

I miss him.

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Re: Nature of the Atonement

Post by selah » Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:34 am

steve7150 wrote:i tend to agree with you, steve. but i know if Paidion was still posting that he would disagree!




Maybe Paidion might have cut us some slack and agree his view was part of restoration, but maybe not, in fact probably not.
What would Paidion say? He makes sense on another thread I've read, maybe he would here too.

Thanks! :)
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Re: Nature of the Atonement

Post by Suzana » Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:09 am

I think we all miss Paidion.
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Re: Nature of the Atonement

Post by selah » Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:21 am

Suzana wrote:I think we all miss Paidion.
I do too.

Hey, since the Bible says we are supposed to pray about everything, why don't we ALL pray for Paidion! :D
Jesus said, "I in them and you in Me, that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that you have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me." John 17:23

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Re: Nature of the Atonement

Post by steve7150 » Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:48 am

What would Paidion say? He makes sense on another thread I've read, maybe he would here too.







I think he would say that the atonement empowers us to overcome sin and live righteously, but he does not believe in imputed righteousness, if i remember correctly.

Abba i pray for Paidion's well being and i ask you to shower him and his family with your grace, and i ask you to put in his heart a desire to contact us, in Jesus Christ we pray, Amen.

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