The Narrow Path Ministries

The Messiah testified, "The Words I speak unto you, they are Spirit and they are Life"....... (John6:63)

So it is that the "natural man can not comprehend that which is of The Spirit of GOD for such needs be Spiritually discerned"....... (1Cor2:14)

So it is that each and every english language 'biblical' translation is biased and perverted in accordance with the religious folklore and theo'ry'logical doctrinal heresies of the translators, for all systems of religion but carry on the legacy of the pharisee's.

With a multitude of words in any two languages having more than one meaning, religions most certainly translate in accordance with the way their religious dogma dictates, not GOD'S(Father{Creator}) Way!

And HIS Way is yet revealed in The Life and Teachings HE bestowed upon The Messiah, in spite of religious bias and perversion!

Sadly, not only is each and every english language 'biblical' translation biased, but all 'biblical' translations in any language are biased and perverted, and yes! even the hand copied, again, and again, and again,,,,,, so-called "original manuscripts" are biased and perverted, for each "jot and tittle" carries meaning in the old testament Hebrew. And the pagan greek manuscripts have been copied, recopied, again and again,,,,, multiple times over! And the "original manuscripts of both the old and new testaments no longer exist!

However, thankfully Our Father, HE yet reveals all things unto those who "walk not after the flesh, but after The Spirit"!

And such is needful for there are more than 100 english language "biblical" translations.

http://www.tyndalearchive.com/Scriptures/index.htm

Some examples of religious bias, prejudice and perversion follow:

Christian "trinitarian" religion's who but follow pagan catholic folklore have their kjv which was translated by pagan catholicism's #1 christian daughter, the aptly named "the church OF england"! There is no doubt that she was, and is, wholly in and of this wicked, evil world. So it is that her translation of the 'bible' was influenced by, and dedicated to, a worldly king, "the king james bible" )-;

Truth testifies that "the WHOLE(not just a portion) world is under the control of the evil one".......(1John5:19)

And she(the church OF england) most certainly did the will of "the father of lies" when she translated "YHVH" as "lord god".

And my how she played games with those words )-;

Need more be said?

Then we have the 'jehovah' religions(yes, there are many sects as well) and their 'new world translation'. Those who believe Michael the archangel and their version of the pagan catholic/christian 'jesus' are one in the same. Just another translation biased in accordance with the religious dogma and theo'ry'logical doctrinal heresies of the translators.

And the 'jesus only' folk? Those who believe that their version of the pagan catholic/christian 'jesus' is god the father, and is god the son, and is god the holy spirit. They have their 'biblical' version named "the full life study bible: an international study bible for {deluded} pentecostal and charismatic christians.

They have made sure that "I AM's" abound when referring to The Messiah.

And today's "messianic communities" have their "sacred name" versions.

Some with their very own personalized version of 'YHVH' and "Y'shua, be it 'YHWH' or 'Yahvah' or 'Yahweh" or 'Yeshua' or 'Yahshua' or ?.

i believe anyone who has received "the love of The Truth" can clearly "see", or will "see", that religious dogma(folklore) rules in each and every religious system, for they all are of of this wicked, evil world!

And they will "see" that religious dogma has influenced(perverted) all 'biblical' translations.

For multiplied BILLIONS have been killed and enslaved(in physical chains and the chains of strong delusion that is religion's way) in the name of the god(s) of this, or that religion )-;

Proving that the fruit of death is bore of religion's way,
because life is but a pawn in the wicked game they play!

And so it is that "The Way of Truth(as revealed in The Life and The Teachings of The Messiah) is evil spoken of" )-; (2Pet2:2)

Hope is there would be those who take heed unto The Call to "Come out from among them and be separate"!

For they will "Come Out" of that which is of this wicked, evil world(babylon) and especially it's systems of religion!

Once again, thankfully Our Father, HE yet reveals all things!

And experience should be The Teacher!

Experiencing immersion in, of, by and thru The Holy, Set Apart, Spirit which endues one with The Power that enables them to overcome this wicked world, even as they receive of the "strong meat" that is spiritual discernment, and which is needful to rightly divide "The Word of Truth", in spite of translational bias and perversion.......

And HOPE IS! there would be those who would experience The Miracle that is receiving "the love of The Truth" for they will "see" The Light that is The Messiah and experience "The Power that raised Him from among the dead"!

All Thanks and Praise Be Unto "Our Father and GOD"!

So it is that the brethren of The Messiah choose to be but "aliens and pilgrims while on the earth" for we have realized that our "citizenship(Life) IS !NOW! in Heaven", and we are no longer have our portion in and of this "wicked, evil world(babylon)" and it's systems of religion!

For we are of The Faithful!

Father Help! and HE does.......

And The Faithful will not create a religion, for The Faithful ARE Family!

TRUTH is not a religion, TRUTH IS!

And TRUTH IS the brethren of The Messiah are "sons of Our Father and GOD" and ARE Family!

The Family of "Our Father and GOD", "of WHOM the whole Family in Heaven and ON EARTH is named"! (Eph3:15)

And NEW "Jerusalem which IS above IS free, and IS !NOW! the mother of us all(sons of Our Father and GOD)"! (Gal4:26)

And soon, and very soon, we will be taken Home, Home at last.......

Till then:

Father Help! and HE Does.......

Peace, in spite of the dis-ease(no-peace) that is of this wicked world, for "the WHOLE(not just a portion) world is under the control of the evil one" indeed and Truth.......(1John5:19)

Thankfully Truth IS, a lie is not.......

Abide in Truth....... francis

You'd like Hans Denck. See quote at the bottom of this post. (nono.. not the John Lennon one. )

Interestingly, you probably also have some things in common with modern Biblical scholars who are skeptical about the know-ability of the original New Testament. Through textual transmission and scribal editors. Here is a debate between Bart Ehrman (public enemy number one for Evangelicals) and Dan Wallace. Very engaging. I really like both.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg-dJA3SnTA

elderchild wrote:So it is that each and every english language 'biblical' translation is biased and perverted in accordance with the religious folklore and theo'ry'logical doctrinal heresies of the translators

If that's true, it really knocks the legs out from under almost everything else you say.

Elderchild, I was thinking the same thing, what on earth ‘uncorrupted’ version are you getting ‘your’ information from?
Or, what translation are you reading from?

I like

The Net bible. Modern scholarship.. freely available (unless you want the notes).. and because it's a living document, (updatable on the net) it can make adjustments based on the latest research.


The Scholar's Translation Bible. This is interesting and maybe up elder's alley. It tries to be so close to the greek idiom's that it reads rather awkward in many places because the verbs and tenses don't translate very well into English. This is also probably the most liberal Bible you can find. It doesn't even have a leather binding.

http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Gospel-P ... s+parallel

Does anyone have experience with the ESV? It keeps popping up in churches I attend, and blogs. I was unfamiliar with it. I got the free version on my iPhone. It's a gorgeous app. The reading is fresh. My go to Bible has always been the NKJV because I liked being inside the received text as a complete document (even though I'm not predisposed to the KJV-only ideas.) And I liked the poetic nature without the king's english.

morbo3000 wrote:Does anyone have experience with the ESV?

I use it some on computer, mostly because it's free. It seems to be a fairly good translation for the most part, but I've run into a couple places where the translators (inadvertently, I'm sure) became interpreters instead of translators; the example that springs to mind is the last part of Daniel 9. Also, I've noticed it sometimes sacrifices some accuracy for ease of reading, which is OK if one really needs an easy-reading Bible, but knocks it down a couple pegs for serious study.

When reading hard copy I use NKJV and am rarely disappointed, and that mostly where they stuck with a rendering from the KJV when they might've been able to do a little better. When studying I reference several versions in electronic form, most notably KJV, World English Bible (a public domain translation project), Rotherham's Emphasized, and Murdock's translation of the Syriac Peshitta.

jriccitelli wrote:Elderchild, I was thinking the same thing, what on earth ‘uncorrupted’ version are you getting ‘your’ information from?
Or, what translation are you reading from?

i have my choice of thirty or so translations in book form and more than 100 via the web, and all versions are biased and perverted in accordance with the religious dogma of the translators.......

And i have been accused of being religious, however if such were true, such a religion would be simply stated as:

Father Help! and HE does.......

Thankfully i have REALized that Our Father, HE can not be bound in a book, for HE IS ALIVE!

And HE still communes with HIS children and is yet able to reveal all that is needful.

Case in point....... "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is The Kingdom of Heaven"?

For those who have not "experienced(they just 'know' of) The Messiah and The Power that raised Him from among the dead", for those "poor in spirit" most certainly rings true )-;

Yet to have the smallest portion of The SPIRIT, IS TO BE TRULY RICH!

So it is that "The Word of Truth" testifies, "Blessed are the poor, in Spirit theirs is The Kingdom of Heaven"!

"Woe unto you who are rich, for you have received your reward"!

And consider the times when such was written, for even the so-called middle class in this day would have been considered rich in those times.

"Behold, these are the ungodly! They prosper in the world as they evermore increase in riches".

It hurts to see so many, so deceived, because the biased and perverted words in a book have become their 'god' )-;

And those words will speak to a lutheran as a lutheran, to a mennonite as a mennonite, to the non-denominational as one who yet plays religion's game, and to a "son of Our Father and GOD" as such! For "Our Father and GOD" provides HIS children with the spiritual discernment needful to reveal The TRUTH midst the bias and perversion in each and every 'biblical' translation!

Father Help! and HE does.......

morbo3000 wrote:You'd like Hans Denck. See quote at the bottom of this post. (nono.. not the John Lennon one. ;) )

Interestingly, you probably also have some things in common with modern Biblical scholars who are skeptical about the know-ability of the original New Testament. Through textual transmission and scribal editors. Here is a debate between Bart Ehrman (public enemy number one for Evangelicals) and Dan Wallace. Very engaging. I really like both.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg-dJA3SnTA

i don't debate, neither will i listen to such.

i can but share that which i have "seen(experienced) and heard(received)".......

As for this Hans Denck, seems i will do a search and yet i don't expect such to bear edible fruit.

For although all translations of what this world calls it's 'bible' are biased and perverted, The Light yet shines and reveals all that is needful so that one can "contend for The Faith" midst the blackness of darkness that is religion, all of which is of this wicked, evil world since The Messiah delivered up The Kingdom unto Our Father and GOD!

Father Help! and HE does.......

elderchild wrote:Case in point....... "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is The Kingdom of Heaven"?
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So it is that "The Word of Truth" testifies, "Blessed are the poor, in Spirit theirs is The Kingdom of Heaven"!

You left out the conjunction ("for"). It's there in the Greek; removing it changes the whole sentence. Changing Scripture is a very dangerous game that always ends badly. Your version may (or may not) be a good saying, but it's not what the Bible says.

i don't debate, neither will i listen to such.

I hope you reconsider that policy. Thoughtfully listening to others, and respectful interaction on points on which you disagree, can help keep your thinking on the things of God from becoming unbalanced and off track.

elderchild wrote: As for this Hans Denck, seems i will do a search and yet i don't expect such to bear edible fruit.

Actually, I think he would. He was a spiritualist like you.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... scripture/

This is a translation of an article he wrote on contradictions in the Bible. Since you don't hold a high view of the Bible (I don't either) you should enjoy it. His point isn't that there are contradictions in our faith.. rather that we hold loosely because we are imperfect. A friend of mine has recently said "We serve the God of the Bible, not the Bible of our God." When I was in high school, we had to dissect a cat. I tried it on mine, and she wouldn't have it. The difference is, that the one in science class was dead and filled with formaldihyde [sic], where as the one at home is very alive and full of Purina. I feel it is the same with the Word of God (which never means the New Testament in the New Testament.) The only way you can dissect it is if it is dead. I prefer a dynamic Word. This is not to exclude the New Testament. I just hold to it loosely.. or at least looser than I was raised to.