Who is the Alpha & Omega?

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Who is the Alpha & Omega?

Post by Homer » Tue Oct 25, 2022 11:47 am

God speaks through Isaiah:

(New American Standard Bible 1995, all quotes that follow)

Isaiah 44:6
6 “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
‘I am the first and I am the last,
And there is no God besides Me.


God self designates as the Alpha and Omega, the first and last:

Revelation 1:8
New American Standard Bible 1995
8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Again God self designates as the Alpha and Omega:

Revelation 21:5-7
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5 And He who sits on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” And He *said, “Write, for these words are faithful and true.” 6 Then He said to me, “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost. 7 He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son.


And Jesus self designates as the Alpha and Omega:

Revelation 22:12-13
New American Standard Bible 1995
12 “Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”


How are God and Jesus both the Alpha and Omega unless there is a triune God?

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Re: Who is the Alpha & Omega?

Post by darinhouston » Wed Oct 26, 2022 8:44 am

This is from the Revised English Version notes...
The phrase “the Alpha and the Omega,” has caused many people to believe this verse refers to Christ. However, study of the occurrences of the phrase indicates that the title “Alpha and Omega” applies to both God and Christ. Scholars are not completely sure what the phrase “the Alpha and the Omega” means. Lenski concludes, “It is fruitless to search Jewish and pagan literature for the source of something that resembles this name Alpha and Omega. Nowhere is a person, to say nothing of a divine Person, called ‘Alpha and Omega,’ or in Hebrew, ‘Aleph and Tau.’”a

Although there is no evidence from the historical sources that anyone is named “the Alpha and Omega,” Bullinger says that the phrase “is a Hebraism, in common use among the ancient Jewish Commentators to designate the whole of anything from the beginning to the end; e.g., ‘Adam transgressed the whole law from Aleph to Tau’ (Jalk. Reub., fol. 17.4).”b That would make the expression the figure of speech, polarmerismos, similar to ‘and there was evening, and there was morning,” which stands for the whole day, in Genesis 1. The best scholarly minds have concluded that the phrase has something to do with starting and finishing something, or the entirety of something. Norton writes that these words, “denote the certain accomplishment of his purposes; that what he has begun he will carry on to its consummation.”c

Since both God and Jesus Christ are “the Alpha and the Omega” in their own respective ways, there is good reason to believe that the title can apply to both of them, and no good reason why this title makes the two into “one God.” The titles “Lord” (Rom. 10:9), “Savior” (Luke 1:47), and “King of kings (1 Tim. 6:14-16) apply to both God and Christ, as well as to other men. As with “Lord,” “Savior” and “King of kings,” this title fits them both. God is truly the beginning and the end of all things, while Christ is the beginning and the end because he is the firstborn from the dead, the Author and Finisher of faith, the Man by whom God will judge the world, and the creator of the new ages to come (see Heb. 1:10 and see commentary on Heb. 1:10).
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The exact meaning of the phrase “the Beginning and the End” is not given. Scholars give differing explanations of the phrase, but the meaning must be closely associated with the concepts of “Alpha and Omega” and “First and Last” because these titles are associated together (see Rev. 22:13). We have seen from the study of the title “Alpha and Omega” that it refers to the start and finish of something, and we have seen from the title “First and Last” (Rev. 1:17) that Christ will raise up the generations of people unto everlasting life. It is clear why Christ would be called the “Beginning and the End” in association with these concepts. He is the firstborn from the dead, and he will be the one to call the last people out of their graves, he is both the Author and Finisher of faith, he is the Man by whom God will judge the world and he is the one who will then create and bring to completion the next ages (see the notes on Heb. 1:10). There is no compelling reason to assume Jesus is God simply because of the title, “the Beginning and the End.”
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1. The phrase, “the First and the Last,” is a title that is used five times in the Bible, twice in Isaiah of God (44:6; 48:12) and three times in Revelation of the Son (1:17; 2:8; 22:13). Trinitarians sometimes make the assumption that since the same title applies to both the Father and the Son, they must both be God. However, there is no biblical justification on which to base that assumption. When the whole of Scripture is studied, one sees that the same titles are used for God, Christ and men. Examples include “Lord” (see Rom. 10:9) and “Savior” (see Luke 1:47) and “King of kings” (see 1 Tim. 6:14-16). If other titles apply to God, Christ and men without making all of them into “one God,” then there is no reason to assume that this particular title would mean they were one God unless Scripture specifically told us so, which it does not.

2. In the Old Testament, God truly was “the First and the Last.” The meaning of the title is not specifically given, but the key to its meaning is given in Isaiah 41:4, in which God says He has called forth the generations of men, and was with the first of them and is with the last of them.

Isaiah 41:4:

“Who has done this and carried it through, calling forth the generations from the beginning? I, the Lord—with the first of them and with the last—I am he.” Thus, the Bible connects the phrase “the First and the Last” with calling forth the generations.

While God was the one who called forth the generations in the Old Testament, He has now conferred that authority on His Son. Thus, it is easy to see why the Lord Jesus is called “the First and the Last” in the book of Revelation. It will be Jesus Christ who will call forth the generations of people from the grave to enter in to everlasting life. God gave Jesus authority to raise the dead (John 5:25-27). His voice will raise all dead Christians (1 Thess. 4:16 and 17), and he will change our bodies into new glorious bodies (Phil. 3:20 and 21). However, even when Jesus said he had the authority to raise the dead, he never claimed he had that authority inherently because he was God. He always said that his Father had given authority to him. While teaching about his authority, Jesus Christ was very clear about who was the ultimate authority: “The Son can do nothing by himself…the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son…For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in himself. And He has given him authority to judge” (John 5:19,22,26 and 27). If Jesus had the authority to raise the dead because he was in some way God, he never said so. He said he had his authority because his Father gave it to him. With the authority to raise the generations came the title associated with the existence of the generations, and thus after his resurrection Jesus Christ is called “the First and the Last.”

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Re: Who is the Alpha & Omega?

Post by darinhouston » Wed Oct 26, 2022 8:48 am

No matter how one reconciles that, it still seems clear that "GOD" is distinguished very clearly from Jesus throughout Revelation. Not just the "FATHER" but GOD. That's far more clearly maintained than this rather vague title might suggest otherwise.

It is odd, however, and is one of those things that should rightly give one pause.

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Re: Who is the Alpha & Omega?

Post by darinhouston » Wed Oct 26, 2022 8:51 am

This has a few interesting points as well...


The Trinity Delusion: The Alpha and Omega
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Revelation 22:13.

Trinitarian Claim

Trinitarians claim that Jesus is identifying himself as Yahweh because Yahweh is identified as "the First and the Last" in the Book of Isaiah and Jesus identifies himself as "the First and the Last."

The Claim vs. The Facts

The Scriptural facts show that the risen Jesus is the First and the Last because he, God's Word, is where the new creation of God begins.

The Problems with the Claim

1. Incoherent Reasoning

In the book of Isaiah, we find Yahweh identifying Himself as the First and the Last through the prophet Isaiah.

Thus says Yahweh, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, Yahweh of hosts: "I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God besides Me. Isaiah 44:6.

Listen to Me, O Jacob, even Israel whom I called; I am He, I am the first, I am also the last. Isaiah 48:12.
Because Yahweh said, "I am the first and the last," and Jesus said, "I am the first and the last," Trinitarians suppose he must be Yahweh. The problem here is that they are suggesting Yahweh and Jesus are the same identity and they do not realize they are contradicting their own doctrine.

In the doctrine of the Trinity, Jesus is not the Father and Jesus is not the Triune God (or that would be saying Jesus is a three-person-being). Conversely, the same is true. In the doctrine of the Trinity, the Father is not Jesus and the Triune God is not Jesus. So WHO is the speaker at Isaiah 44:6 and Isaiah 48:12? If the Trinitarian claims it is the Triune God speaking, then it is not Jesus, because the Triune God is not Jesus and Jesus is not the Triune God in their own doctrine. And if the Trinitarian claims it is the Father speaking, then it is not Jesus, because the Father is not Jesus and Jesus is not the Father in their own doctrine. And if the Trinitarian claims it is Jesus speaking, then it is not the Father, because Jesus is not the Father and the Father is not Jesus in their own doctrine. And if the Trinitarian claims it is Jesus speaking, then it is not the Triune God, because Jesus is not the Triune God and the Triune God is not Jesus in their own doctrine. No matter how you look at it, they aren't making any sense and they are incoherently contradicting themselves. WHO exactly is the speaker?

And their contradictory situation is even worse. They claim Isaiah 44:6 refers to Yahweh and Yahweh's Redeemer Jesus. In other words, they are suggesting it refers to Yahweh the Father and Jesus, or perhaps the Yahweh the Triune God and Jesus. So if it is either the Triune God or the Father speaking, then it isn't Jesus because the Father is not Jesus in their own doctrine and the Triune God is not Jesus in their own doctrine. Again, they are found contradicting themselves. The bottom line, is that they are admitting the speaker is NOT Jesus at Isaiah 44:6 when they interpret the verse to refer to Yahweh speaking about his Redeemer whom they identify as Jesus.

Note: See the Isaiah 44:6 article on the main page to see why "his Redeemer" means that Yahweh is Israel's Redeemer.

And the very same predicament applies to Isaiah 48:12. They claim that Isaiah 48:16 is referring to Yahweh God sending Jesus and His Spirit. If either the Triune God or the Father is speaking then Jesus is not the speaker and they are caught in the very same contradiction. Their claim here is absurdly incoherent.

And their situation gets even worse. At Isaiah 48:11, God says he will not give his glory to another. We all know how they interpret these words. Jesus won't give his glory to anyone else? Does that leave the Father and the Holy Spirit out of the equation? How about the Triune God? Let the reader see how Trinitarians are completely blind to the implications of their claims and how they contradict themselves.

2. Isaiah 44:24

So who is the speaker at Isaiah 44:6? It is the same identity who is speaking at Isaiah 44:24.

Thus says Yahweh, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, "I, Yahweh, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself And spreading out the earth all alone.
Trinitarians must insist the speaker here is the Triune God, Him, or they will refute their own doctrine. But the Triune God is not Jesus and Jesus is not the Triune God. Hence, since this identity is not Jesus in their own doctrine, Jesus is not the one who said these words in verse 24 and this shows he isn't the one saying "I am the first and the last" at verse 6 either.

3. "The first and the last" & "alpha and omega" & "beginning and the end."

A review of these three expressions in the book of Revelation demonstrates that each of the three are intended to convey identical concepts and they all obviously mean the same thing.

"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:8.

Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last. Revelation 1:17.

And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: the first and the last, who was dead, and has come to life, says this... Revelation 2:8.

I am the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end. Revelation 21:6.

I am the alpha and the omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. Revelation 22:16
However, one other significant verse is usually ignored by Trinitarians.

To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God, says this.... Revelation 3:14.
Revelation 3:14 is very significant as we shall soon see.

4. The First and the Last was Dead: Yahweh was DEAD?

An insurmountable problem for Trinitarians is that that the first and the last indicates he was dead. Observe what Jesus says at Revelation 1:17ff.

17 When I saw him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. And he placed his right hand on me, saying, "Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.
He has the keys of death and of Hades. God is not a God of the dead but of the living. However, Jesus is Lord of the living and the dead because he overcame death and conquered death.

Now if "the first and the last" is a title for Yahweh, then Yahweh was dead. However, the Bible tells us this is impossible. Yahweh is intrinsically immortal (see 1 Tim 6:16; compare 2 Cor 13:4). When you are immortal it means you cannot die and cannot be dead. If you died and are dead it means you are dead because you are mortal and not immortal. However, Yahweh is immortal. The first and the last at Revelation 1:17 was dead. Yahweh is immortal and cannot die or be dead. Therefore, it is quite impossible to identify the first and the last as Yahweh or vice versa. The Trinitarian claim is thereby proven false.

In Trinitarianism, it is routinely claimed that Jesus is either speaking according to his divine nature or to his human nature, as God vs. as a man. The impossibility of their claim here is demonstrated by asking the question, "Is Jesus speaking according to his divine nature or his human nature?" They must claim he was speaking according to his divine nature to claim he was claiming to be Yahweh by saying he is "the First and the Last." However, they create their dilemma for themselves since Jesus would also be speaking according to his divine nature when he said he was DEAD. By implication, that would mean Yahweh said he was dead and was speaking according to his divine nature when he said it. Absurd. The Trinitarian is caught in his own contradictions whether he says Jesus is speaking according to his divine nature or whether he says he was speaking to his human nature.

5. Even More Problems for Trinitarians

The Trinitarian claim has even bigger problems which they must answer to but do not. At Revelation 1:1, we read that God gave this Revelation to Jesus and he communicated this Revelation to John through his angel. So who then communicated with John?

I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet (see 4:1), saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea." Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands; and in the middle of the lampstands I saw one like a Son of Man, clothed in a robe reaching to the feet, and girded across his chest with a golden sash. His head and his hair were white like white wool, like snow; and his eyes were like a flame of fire. His feet were like burnished bronze, when it has been made to glow in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of many waters. In His right hand he held seven stars, and out of his mouth came a sharp two-edged sword; and his face was like the sun shining in its strength. When I saw him, I fell at his feet like a dead man. And he placed His right hand on me, saying, "Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forever, and I have the keys of death and of Hades."
Obviously this is Jesus communicating with John. But we were told this Revelation would be communicated through his angel. Why then is Jesus speaking to John? Or, is the angel in question really Jesus? Let the reader note how Jesus instructs John to write to the angel of seven different churches? Who is this angel John is writing to? What does the word "angel" mean in that context? Let the reader see that when he understand how John is writing to an angel of each of the seven churches, then he should apply that same concept of an angel with respect to Jesus and the Revelation God gave to Jesus.

This is a very big problem for Trinitarians when the reader follows the speaker in the following two passages. Follow the speaker:

And a voice came from the throne, saying, "Give praise to our God, all you His servants, you who fear Him, the small and the great." 6 Then I heard something like the voice of a great multitude and like the sound of many waters and like the sound of mighty peals of thunder, saying, "Hallelujah! For the Lord our God, the Almighty, reigns. Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready.” It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. Then he said to me, "Write, 'Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.'" And he said to me, "These are true words of God." Then I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, "Do not do that; I am a fellow servant of yours and your brethren who hold the testimony of Jesus. Worship God. For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Revelation 19:5-10
And we find the very same thing occurring in Revelation 22. Follow the speaker:

I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed me these things. But he said to me, "Do not do that. I am a fellow servant of yours and of your brethren the prophets and of those who heed the words of this book. Worship God." And he said to me, "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near. Let the one who does wrong, still do wrong; and the one who is filthy, still be filthy; and let the one who is righteous, still practice righteousness; and the one who is holy, still keep himself holy. Behold, I am coming quickly, and my reward is with me, to render to every man according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end." Revelation 22:8-13.
That speaks for itself doesn't it? Not only so, carefully compare the following, especially the last two verses:

I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 22:8

I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you these things. 22:16

He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming quickly." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus. 22:20.
Let the reader be reminded who was communicating with John in chapter 1. And then let the reader ask who testified these things to John.

Analysis of the Facts

1. What is the Purpose and Meaning of these Titles?

There are three titles used: (1) The first and the last, (2) The beginning and the end, and (3) the alpha and omega. What is usually missing from the Trinitarian claim is any attempt on their part to demonstrate what these titles mean. Each of these three are regarded as title for Yahweh and no further thought is given to what these titles mean. But there is Scriptural evidence which tells us what these terms mean and the evidence is right there in the selfsame context:

Listen to Me, O Jacob, even Israel whom I called; I am He, I am the first, I am also the last. Surely My hand founded the earth, and My right hand spread out the heavens. When I call to them, they stand together. Isaiah 48:12-13.

Thus says Yahweh, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, Yahweh of Hosts: "I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.... Thus says Yahweh, your Redeemer, and the One who formed you from the womb, "I, Yahweh, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself And spreading out the earth all alone.
These passages tell us that these titles refer to God as the Creator of all things. He is where creation begins and ends. Notice also how the following verse explains what this title means:

Who has performed and accomplished it, Calling forth the generations from the beginning? ‘I, the LORD, am the first, and with the last. I am He.’”
Isaiah 41:4

2. Revelation 3:14 - the Beginning of the Creation of God

Jesus said to John, "To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this...." Once again, we find the word "beginning" in reference to Jesus just as we also find in the expression, "the beginning and the end." This is more confirmation that these titles refer to creation.

3. Colossians 1:18

Carefully note what Paul says at Colossians 1:18 and compare to Revelation 1:17-18 and 3:14

in whom all things were created....He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the Beginning, the firstborn out of the dead, so that he might come to be first in all things. Colossians 1:18 (see Ephesians 1:9-10; 20-23.

To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true witness, the Beginning of the creation of God. 3:14

the firstborn of all creation since in him all things were created....He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn out of the dead, so that he might come to be first in all things. Colossians 1:18 (see Revelation 1:5)

I am the first and the last, and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forever, and I have the keys of death and of Hades. Revelation 1:17-18; see 1:5.
At Colossians 1:16-18, Paul is explaining how God created all things anew in the risen Son to whom God gave all authority in heaven and on earth. This is why it says that "He might come to be first in all things." This is also why Paul then says all the fullness (of God) was pleased to dwell in him. This occurred when Jesus rose from the dead and was glorified. The risen son is first in all things in time and rank because he is the firstborn out of the dead and because God has given the risen son all authority in heaven and earth.

4. Beginning of the New Creation

The book of Revelation leads us to the new heavens and new earth in the final chapters. Since Jesus is the firstborn out of the dead, he is the firstfruits of that new creation.

Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away... And he who sits on the throne said, "Behold, I am making all things new.” And he said, "Write, for these words are faithful and true (see 3:14). Then he said to me, "It is finished. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End." (Revelation 21).
It is quite clear that Revelation 3:14 is referring to the new creation of God and Jesus is the beginning of that new creation because he is the firstborn out of the dead. He is WHERE the new creation begins and this is why we are new creations in him, that is, in the risen Christ (see 2 Corinthians 5:16-17). Jesus is the First and the Last of the New Creation because he is the Beginning of the new creation, the firstborn out of the dead. All things are created anew IN HIM, the risen son, the firstborn out of the dead. and that is why we are new creations IN HIM.

"I am the first and the last and the living one. I was dead and behold I am alive to the ages of the ages. Revelation 1:17.

And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: The first and the last who was dead, and has come to life, says this... Revelation 2:8.

5. God Creates through His Word

Where did Genesis creation begin? It began at God's spoken Word. God's spoken Word was the place where all creation began. Now God's Word has become flesh; Jesus is the embodiment of God's Word. And as such God creates the new creation through His Word: Jesus. All things are created anew in him; God the Father creates all things anew in him.

He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. Revelation 19:13.
Everything begins at God's Word (see Isaiah 55:11). Everything ends at God's Word. God will judge by means of His Word (Acts 17:31; Hebrews 4:12-13). The end of the Genesis creation will be the beginning of the new creation (see Revelation 20:11-21:1). This is the purpose and meaning of the titles First and Last, Beginning and End, Alpha and Omega.

Conclusion

The Trinitarian claim doesn't even make logical sense with their own doctrine since they are confusing identities which their own doctrine insists you must not confuse. The first and the last was dead. Only a created being can say He was dead. Yahweh is immortal which means He cannot be dead. For this reason, it is quite impossible to identify Jesus as Yahweh.

When all the facts are laid out before us, it is clear that these titles refer to creation and Jesus is the Beginning of the new creation since he is the firstborn out of the dead. Everything begins and ends with the Father's Word. The Genesis act of creation was accomplished by means of His spoken Word and that is why we find He is the first and the last in the book of Isaiah. He is where the Genesis act of creation began and since He will judge the world through a man He has appointed, He is where it will also end. God the Father created by means of His spoken Word and judges the world through His word at the end of the ages. God the Father will judge the world through him (Acts 17:31) and God the Father creates all things anew in him (Col 1:16-18; Revelation 21). God the Father now creates all things through the risen Christ, His Word become flesh. The new creation begins and ends at the Father's Word: the risen man, Jesus our Lord.

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Re: Who is the Alpha & Omega?

Post by dizerner » Wed Oct 26, 2022 8:04 pm

Is that REV commentary written by the translators?

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Re: Who is the Alpha & Omega?

Post by darinhouston » Wed Oct 26, 2022 8:32 pm

yes - I believe so

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Re: Who is the Alpha & Omega?

Post by dwight92070 » Thu Oct 27, 2022 3:01 pm

Okay, I'm going to use my logic and reasoning here, which are both, in themselves, gifts from God that we all have. The Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end - they all are the same thing, or to be more precise, they all are the same Person. Each phrase has the same meaning as the other two.

Revelation 22:12-13 sums it up clearly: "Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."

There's no doubt that Jesus is speaking here. He is the One Who is coming, and He is the One Who will judge every man according to his deeds. He also claims all three titles in the next sentence. Yet God claims all three titles as well. In fact, a "Person" could not be one of the titles without also being the other two, because they all express and mean the same thing.

How simple, and logical, and reasonable is this? Jesus claims all three titles. God claims all three titles. JESUS IS GOD.

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Re: Who is the Alpha & Omega?

Post by darinhouston » Thu Oct 27, 2022 5:40 pm

dwight92070 wrote:
Thu Oct 27, 2022 3:01 pm
Okay, I'm going to use my logic and reasoning here, which are both, in themselves, gifts from God that we all have. The Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end - they all are the same thing, or to be more precise, they all are the same Person. Each phrase has the same meaning as the other two.

Revelation 22:12-13 sums it up clearly: "Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."

There's no doubt that Jesus is speaking here. He is the One Who is coming, and He is the One Who will judge every man according to his deeds. He also claims all three titles in the next sentence. Yet God claims all three titles as well. In fact, a "Person" could not be one of the titles without also being the other two, because they all express and mean the same thing.

How simple, and logical, and reasonable is this? Jesus claims all three titles. God claims all three titles. JESUS IS GOD.
By what logic and reason do you conclude that these descriptors are "titles" that uniquely refer to a person? I believe it is at least feasible that it's more like "I'm the bee's knees, the be all and end all, the purpose and meaning of life" and so forth - it's more than that, of course, and has origins and eschatology in view (perhaps original creation for the Father/God and New Creation with respect to the Christ/Jesus". But, your premise needs proof if you are going to use logic here.

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Re: Who is the Alpha & Omega?

Post by dizerner » Thu Oct 27, 2022 6:12 pm

There was a time in my walk that a few Scriptures made me wonder how they could apply if Christ were Divine.

I just asked God the truth, and he confirmed it to my heart.

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Re: Who is the Alpha & Omega?

Post by Homer » Thu Oct 27, 2022 10:26 pm

Darin,

I think the source you quoted is mistaken:
Thus says Yahweh, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, Yahweh of Hosts: "I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.... Thus says Yahweh, your Redeemer, and the One who formed you from the womb, "I, Yahweh, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself And spreading out the earth all alone.
These passages tell us that these titles refer to God as the Creator of all things. He is where creation begins and ends. Notice also how the following verse explains what this title means:

When all the facts are laid out before us, it is clear that these titles refer to creation and Jesus is the Beginning of the new creation since he is the firstborn out of the dead. Everything begins and ends with the Father's Word. The Genesis act of creation was accomplished by means of His spoken Word and that is why we find He is the first and the last in the book of Isaiah. He is where the Genesis act of creation began and since He will judge the world through a man He has appointed, He is where it will also end. God the Father created by means of His spoken Word and judges the world through His word at the end of the ages. God the Father will judge the world through him (Acts 17:31) and God the Father creates all things anew in him (Col 1:16-18; Revelation 21). God the Father now creates all things through the risen Christ, His Word become flesh. The new creation begins and ends at the Father's Word: the risen man, Jesus our Lord.
Where do we find the "Word" as in John 1 referred to as the spoken word as though John was referring to merely speaking? Is what you posted from Buzzard?

The Greek Spiros Zodhiates comment on Colossians 1:15ff, from his Key Word Study Bible:
Here Jesus Christ is presented as the image of God, the invisible one (John 1:18). The order of the Greek text has the word eikon preceding prototokos. Eikon, "image", means that which resembles an object, which represents it. The word eikon always assumes a prototype, not merely what it resembles, but from which it is drawn. For instance the reflection of the sun in the water is called by Plato eikon. Paul was telling the Colossians here that Jesus Christ has a "prototype", God the Father who is invisible. He is real because Jesus is real and not imaginary. The relationship between the son and the Father, Christ and the Father God, is not coincidental as, for instance , two persons being similar, homoi. Paul's teaching to the Colossians was that there was not a mere coincidental resemblance between Jesus Christ and His Father (homoioma), but that they were eternally related One to the Other (eikon). The One was a reflection of the Other who was real and not merely the figment of thought or imagination. And this is so in spite of the fact that God is invisible. That which is invisible, nevertheless, can be and is real.

The other word to which we must turn our attention and which is used twice in this context is the word prototokos, translated as "first born" or "first begotten". It is eused twice in Col. 1:15, 18. What it means here is that Christ has the same relation to all creation as God the Father and that He is above all creation. It does not mean He is part of the creation made by God, but that the relation of the whole creation to Him was determined by the fact He is the cause of the creation of all things (John 1:1; Rev. 3:14) and that without Him There could be no creation (John 1:3,4): Col 1:16. It is not said of Christ that He was ktistheis, "created", from ktizo "to create", a verb used of the creation of the world by Him in Col.1:16. We never find this verb ktizo as referring to Jesus Christ as having been created. In Rev. 3:14 the Lord Jesus Christ is called "the beginning of the creation of God". But the word "beginning", arche, in this instance is not used as the result of God's creation but the cause of God's creation.

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