Your new Torah: 613 vs 1050 commands
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:48 am
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The apostle John didn't think so:You thought keeping 613 was hard. Let's up the ante. Now we have almost double that in the New Testament, many of which seem far harder to keep.
It may be that they were not keeping the law as Jesus indicated was necessary, but if one says that the purpose of the Sermon on the Mount was only to show our inability to keep God's commands, and not to tell us how we need to live, this claim would require exegetical support—which is entirely lacking.The point of the sermon [on the Mount] is to show everyone they were not fulfilling it, when they thought they were.
Such a position changes Christ's commission, that we should make disciples by "teaching them to observe whatever I have commanded you," into "make disciples...teaching them that they cannot continue in my words, and that they, therefore, cannot be my disciples."If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing... (1 Tim.6:3-4)
No doubt it is. But this is irrelevant, since no one would argue that anyone should be a self-righteous legalist. Obedience is not legalism, it is discipleship—the only kind ever described by Jesus (John 8:31; Matt.28:18-20).self-righteous legalism [is also] quite common.
This seems to say no one can live as Jesus taught, whether born again, filled with the Spirit, or however you might describe a true Christian. But you also say:If you think you are keeping the commandments of God, and living up to his holy standard, you are in great deception and not being honest with yourself, the Word of God, or the Holy Spirit.
Who is it that has this new life that automatically does right? You imply that it certainly is not Steve, or Paidion, or I assume, me. Is it you? I do not know anyone who "automatically" does right. Paul wrote:Then we find a new life that automatically does everything we really couldn't do before.
Hi dizerner,dizerner wrote:You thought keeping 613 was hard. Let's up the ante. Now we have almost double that in the New Testament, many of which seem far harder to keep.