Who Were The Israelites?
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:34 am
This is a comment from a different Post which brought up another point of discussion:
Roy, I presume that the reason you held back from linking to the last article is related to other ideas that the writer espouses. I certainly hope so.
The following quote is bizarre enough of an example as to require no further commentary:
There are even some in Israel Identity today who claim that race doesn’t really matter, while the truth is, race is everything, and only White Israelites can be Christians!
Despite the flagrant racism and my efforts to find merit among any of the writer's arguments, I remain unpersuaded. He places a lot of weight on the idea that the Hebrew word for prostitute should instead be understood as an innkeeper. In making his argument he draws from Josephus and a targumic reference. I'm not sure that he is familiar with the language behind the Targum as he has Adam Clarke claiming that the phrase reads אחחא פנדקיתא while the phrase that he appears to refer to is actually איתתא פנדקיתא. (Presumably the text was scanned and the symbols were misread.) While the phrase does seem to relate to being an innkeeper (or as he suggests "tavern keeper"), this is a targumic insertion that is reasonably chalked up to an apologetic agenda. I don't know how familiar you are with the Targums?
The titles of some of the articles on the site suggest that the operator of the site might look unfavorably toward the Jewish race, so I don't know why he would place sufficient confidence in the targumic rendering (or Josephus' records) as to read the meaning back into the words of Scripture. It is highly plausible that Josephus follows the targumic tradition in describing Rahab as an innkeeper. This simply cannot be derived from the biblical account. Earlier I think you wrote something about letting Scripture interpret Scripture?
The article was somewhat lengthy. Since I've accessed a few links and read over the material you've suggested and found these articles unsatisfactory to substantiate your claims, I would appreciate receiving any further support for your position directly from you (not from another source). I don't know if you endorse the content of these sites, or possibly you are aware that your own arguments are incapable of withstanding honest scrutiny?
On another note: Although I simply read the article and didn't probe other articles on the site, by the looks of things the author might adhere to "serpent seed" theology? Are you of that persuasion as well?
The article Referenced here is: http://emahiser.christogenea.org/watchm ... april-2008
Hi StevenD,
I placed the comment under "Anthropology" because for me personally...................I would be interested in what other people thought of the question I posed above --
Who Were The Israelites.
I stumbled upon this topic strangely through studying the events of September 11, 2001. Perhaps the conversation might come back to this.......we will see.
At the same time I was studying my family Genealogy. I guess I just began to be curious about where I came from etc., etc. Since I am White/Caucasian, I became interested in my Culture. My father is Welsh and my mother part Russian. This all led me to a book -- The March of the Titans by Arthur Kemp. Fascinating book, but not really related here to this discussion. MOTT is a book about the White Race. That is pretty much it.
Somewhere during this research, I stumbled upon the statement -- Jesus was not a Jew. This certainly caught my attention. I was a Zionist Christian at that time. I was highly offended, but not timid to follow through and read just what this author meant.
I can't remember the exact article, but I found this one that seems to be mostly what I read at the time -- http://www.truth-books.com/jesus_not_a_jew.html
I just read this one particular article. I know nothing about the site in it's entirety. Please don't judge me or judge this particular article based on what the author may say about other issues.
Long story short.........................this ultimately led me to a theology referred to as "Christian Identity" or "British Israelism". BI going back decades. I have a book written in the 1800's with the thesis of proving Caucasians to be Israelites. There are plenty more modern day books written on this topic.
If I were to recommend one single book dedicated to this particular topic it would be -- "Tracing our Ancestors" by Frederick Haberman.
http://www.amazon.com/Tracing-Our-Ances ... k+Haberman
Another book I recommend which you can find online -- "Who is Esau-Edom" by Charles Weisman. http://www.scribd.com/doc/46566146/Who- ... dom#scribd
More sources: http://www.artisanpublishers.com/biblic ... 25660.html
I DO NOT ENDORSE ANY ORGANIZED MINISTRY REFERING TO THEMSELVES AS CHRISTIAN IDENTITY. Please don't judge me for what others who espouse CI may say about other issues.
Now I'd like to shift the focus back to the particular comment left by StevenB.
StevenB..............what are your thoughts on the Serpent Seed doctrine?
Jesus said, "you are of your father the devil". Would you interpret this to mean 'spiritual' rather than 'literal'?
I have read arguments for both. At this time I'm leaning toward the "spiritual". It is a fascinating discussion for sure.
Curious..................what do you find to be "Flagrant Racism" from that particular website? Could you define "Racist"?
If I wanted to marry only a White woman, would you consider me racist? If I wanted to live on a street with only white people, would you consider me racist? When White families flee to Whiter communities -- called White Flight -- do you think these people are Racist?
I've lived in Southern California and now I reside in Atlanta Georgia. I am moving to North Idaho because it is unsafe here. North Idaho is predominately White. Am I a racist?
Curious your thoughts.
Roy, I presume that the reason you held back from linking to the last article is related to other ideas that the writer espouses. I certainly hope so.
The following quote is bizarre enough of an example as to require no further commentary:
There are even some in Israel Identity today who claim that race doesn’t really matter, while the truth is, race is everything, and only White Israelites can be Christians!
Despite the flagrant racism and my efforts to find merit among any of the writer's arguments, I remain unpersuaded. He places a lot of weight on the idea that the Hebrew word for prostitute should instead be understood as an innkeeper. In making his argument he draws from Josephus and a targumic reference. I'm not sure that he is familiar with the language behind the Targum as he has Adam Clarke claiming that the phrase reads אחחא פנדקיתא while the phrase that he appears to refer to is actually איתתא פנדקיתא. (Presumably the text was scanned and the symbols were misread.) While the phrase does seem to relate to being an innkeeper (or as he suggests "tavern keeper"), this is a targumic insertion that is reasonably chalked up to an apologetic agenda. I don't know how familiar you are with the Targums?
The titles of some of the articles on the site suggest that the operator of the site might look unfavorably toward the Jewish race, so I don't know why he would place sufficient confidence in the targumic rendering (or Josephus' records) as to read the meaning back into the words of Scripture. It is highly plausible that Josephus follows the targumic tradition in describing Rahab as an innkeeper. This simply cannot be derived from the biblical account. Earlier I think you wrote something about letting Scripture interpret Scripture?
The article was somewhat lengthy. Since I've accessed a few links and read over the material you've suggested and found these articles unsatisfactory to substantiate your claims, I would appreciate receiving any further support for your position directly from you (not from another source). I don't know if you endorse the content of these sites, or possibly you are aware that your own arguments are incapable of withstanding honest scrutiny?
On another note: Although I simply read the article and didn't probe other articles on the site, by the looks of things the author might adhere to "serpent seed" theology? Are you of that persuasion as well?
The article Referenced here is: http://emahiser.christogenea.org/watchm ... april-2008
Hi StevenD,
I placed the comment under "Anthropology" because for me personally...................I would be interested in what other people thought of the question I posed above --
Who Were The Israelites.
I stumbled upon this topic strangely through studying the events of September 11, 2001. Perhaps the conversation might come back to this.......we will see.
At the same time I was studying my family Genealogy. I guess I just began to be curious about where I came from etc., etc. Since I am White/Caucasian, I became interested in my Culture. My father is Welsh and my mother part Russian. This all led me to a book -- The March of the Titans by Arthur Kemp. Fascinating book, but not really related here to this discussion. MOTT is a book about the White Race. That is pretty much it.
Somewhere during this research, I stumbled upon the statement -- Jesus was not a Jew. This certainly caught my attention. I was a Zionist Christian at that time. I was highly offended, but not timid to follow through and read just what this author meant.
I can't remember the exact article, but I found this one that seems to be mostly what I read at the time -- http://www.truth-books.com/jesus_not_a_jew.html
I just read this one particular article. I know nothing about the site in it's entirety. Please don't judge me or judge this particular article based on what the author may say about other issues.
Long story short.........................this ultimately led me to a theology referred to as "Christian Identity" or "British Israelism". BI going back decades. I have a book written in the 1800's with the thesis of proving Caucasians to be Israelites. There are plenty more modern day books written on this topic.
If I were to recommend one single book dedicated to this particular topic it would be -- "Tracing our Ancestors" by Frederick Haberman.
http://www.amazon.com/Tracing-Our-Ances ... k+Haberman
Another book I recommend which you can find online -- "Who is Esau-Edom" by Charles Weisman. http://www.scribd.com/doc/46566146/Who- ... dom#scribd
More sources: http://www.artisanpublishers.com/biblic ... 25660.html
I DO NOT ENDORSE ANY ORGANIZED MINISTRY REFERING TO THEMSELVES AS CHRISTIAN IDENTITY. Please don't judge me for what others who espouse CI may say about other issues.
Now I'd like to shift the focus back to the particular comment left by StevenB.
StevenB..............what are your thoughts on the Serpent Seed doctrine?
Jesus said, "you are of your father the devil". Would you interpret this to mean 'spiritual' rather than 'literal'?
I have read arguments for both. At this time I'm leaning toward the "spiritual". It is a fascinating discussion for sure.
Curious..................what do you find to be "Flagrant Racism" from that particular website? Could you define "Racist"?
If I wanted to marry only a White woman, would you consider me racist? If I wanted to live on a street with only white people, would you consider me racist? When White families flee to Whiter communities -- called White Flight -- do you think these people are Racist?
I've lived in Southern California and now I reside in Atlanta Georgia. I am moving to North Idaho because it is unsafe here. North Idaho is predominately White. Am I a racist?
Curious your thoughts.