How Many Think the Rapture will be Like This?

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Post by _Sean » Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:10 am

Paidion wrote:
I was wondering also about organ transplants. Will they go to the transplanter? Or to the transplantee?
What happens to the unbeliever who has had a heart transplant from a believer? At the time of the rapture, does his heart change and he become a believer? Or does the heart go back to the original believer in a glorified condition, leaving the unbeliever heartless? :)
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Post by _Allyn » Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:07 am

No, Sean, that person becomes a partial believer. :lol:
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Post by _TK » Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:54 am

sean wrote:
What happens to the unbeliever who has had a heart transplant from a believer? At the time of the rapture, does his heart change and he become a believer? Or does the heart go back to the original believer in a glorified condition, leaving the unbeliever heartless?
holy mackeral- i never thought of that. what will be REALLY problematic is when they can do brain transplants. this raises the issue of "where does our salvation lie?" in the future, if a christian dies suddenly and his brain is transplanted into an unbeliever, then what? will the salvation "transfer" to the unbeliever?

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Post by _Seth » Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:38 pm

TK wrote:holy mackeral- i never thought of that. what will be REALLY problematic is when they can do brain transplants. this raises the issue of "where does our salvation lie?" in the future, if a christian dies suddenly and his brain is transplanted into an unbeliever, then what? will the salvation "transfer" to the unbeliever?
Whoa, big guy...you're getting into Encephaloscatology. And that subject is deep, brother.
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Post by _Paidion » Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:09 pm

Thanks, Rick. I really got a kick out of that cartoon!
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Post by _Rick_C » Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:50 am

Paidion,

I got a real kick out of Allyn's little got-raptured dude guy.... :D Zing!!!


Other than this: Well, I don't see any harm in having a couple laughs by making fun of the pre-trib rapture. After all, they make fun of us....
"If YOU want to BE HERE in the Great Tribulation, FINE. I WON'T BE!!!"
(and not that I'm a wagerin man...but...Ya wanna make a BET?) --the Yahoo ROFL icon--

And, y'all have been having some fun in wondering about how body parts will be arranged or stuff like, "If I get raptured right out of my shoes, will I still have sox on?" ("holy" sox, maybe?)....

Image.....and so on & so forth.......

ok ok ok, hahaha :)
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I've been listening to a few N.T. Wright lectures lately (now I'm getting more serious) and he often reiterates and emphasizes the fact that, "Hey Folks, we really ARE going to be resurrected and have actual bodies! (my Americanized paraphrase)."

But since we don't really know what "age" we will be (um, will there even be any such thing as "time" then?)...or what exactly we will be doing (other than praising God and being in His Presence)....

I'm 51 and a half going on 52. And the older I get the more I realize that this place (planet earth as it exists today) just can't be "it." Just as surely as we believe Jesus was raised...it's really going to happen to us too! (I admit I hadn't seriously thought about this much...till I turned about, like, 50).....

Who knows how it all will happen? (GOD).

If I fly up like Allyn's little guy or do a Superman thing...But...the elements will melt with fervent heat on that Day when....

....the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed (2 Thess 1, NKJV).

Our God is such an awesome God,
This stuff is REAL.
Rick

P.S. Maybe you can get raptured with your shoes if they are non-scuff soles? (Don't wanna scuff up them streets of gold, now do we)? enuf from me, out
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Post by _Paidion » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:53 am

(um, will there even be any such thing as "time" then?)
Since you included this question in the part of your post where you're "getting more serious", I thought I'd ask this question in reply:

Since "time" may be defined as "a measurement of the occurence of events", then, if there is no time, would it not follow that there are no events?

It seems impossible to escape "time". Even your question contains a temporal word which seems necessitate time. You asked, "Will there even be such a thing as 'time' then?"

"Then" implies a time.
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Post by _STEVE7150 » Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:13 am

I hope i can keep my new cellphone cause it's got a nice picture of my white poodle on the screen. :?:
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Post by _Rick_C » Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:24 pm

Paidion,

It's actually quite beyond me if...God made time or not. So I'll credit His "Sovereignty" on it. We have what we have.....

In the New Heavens & New Earth the Bible sez we won't have a sun or moon because God will be the source of light (Re 21:23).

Without a sun & moon and an apparent constant source of light, will there be "days?" If time keeps going, as you believe, then, Yes: there will probably be "days." I'm wondering how we will be able to tell what day or date it will be...seeing as it apparently won't ever become night time? (As a "Nite Person" I may need some time to adjust to an "Eternal Day Shift")....

But, anyway, I have no problem giving over such mysteries to the Sovereignty of God...without needing to "theorize" on em. Maybe in my rez'd body I will turn into a "Day Ppl"...prolly so, I hope, lol

Of course, Revelation may not have an "It won't ever get dark or become the next day" in mind, in that the book is apocalyptic (symbolic). I'm sure God will have some way to tell time that we can understand, if, indeed, time will keep goin...or if we will have a need to know "when" it is (what time is it?)...(???)....

Personally, I wouldn't mind an eternal now, even though I know you don't think it's possible; and not to debate it either. (I just don't like being late for stuff...and am, alot), lol. I've never especially liked time due to a habit of not wanting to go any place early especially work: Why go early? To sit in the cafeteria to wait for the bell to ring? Not me, I'll be home till the very last second! I got fired once for being 2 minutes late....about a dozen times.

If God still has time in the New Earth...ok, Lord, Thy will be done....
Rick
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