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[RND]

David,
I appreciate your zeal to respond. But please try to answer the question at hand.

I was asking "How are views such as Post-Mil and Amil or preterism (including full preterism) affected if it isn't true that the Church is Israel?"

Thank you Mike.

I should have included that both the "pre" and "amil" viewpoints are direct inventions of both the "futurist" and "preterist" views so I only see one view point as being accurate within the framework of scripture and that is of course the "post-mil" view. First resurrection, 1,000 years with Christ (earth's sabbath day), final cleansing, New Jerusalem. Home at last!

Then I am not expecting an answer from you unless you have a keen insight into the effect upon such viewpoints.

Amazing! The points of your OP have been refuted. Futureism and Preterism along with the accompanying "pre" and "amil" points of view, as well as the "church" being Israel are all inventions of man. Scripture, clearly, paints a much different view.

Don't drink the John Hagee Kool-Aid Mike! It's poison!

[steve]

RND,

I must say that I am rather weary of your irrelevant responses. If you have nothing to say with reference to the questions posed, then you are not obligated to answer. You should assume that when someone posts a question, they are seeking answers to their question, not diatribes that have nothing to do with what they are asking. If you don't know the answer, you can always "sit this one out."

I have to say that I have begun to wonder if you know how to read, or have enough respect for others to even attempt to hear what they are saying—or if you just look for buzz-words and phrases in other peoples' posts that trigger one of your pet peeves and that set you off running to who-knows-where!

You seem to think that everyone is hungering for your input, whether you know anything or have anything relevant to say or not. Let me help you out here: this is not the case. This is not the "Ask RND Forum." This is a community of Christians in dialogue, and I would request that, if you wish to participate in it, you only do so when you have something germane to contribute. Otherwise, by burdening the pages of the forum with rabbit trails and agenda-driven discourses, you will drive away people (like me) who would like to interact with people where they are at and on the topics they wish to discuss. You and your opinions are not the subject of everybody's fascination here, much as this may surprise you.

I have always had good relations with the Seventh-Day Adventists that I have known, and have never felt any obligation to convert them to my way of seeing things. Lately, however, several SDA's seem to have suddenly gone militant with their strange doctrines (many of my friends and I have recently received in the mail a fresh barrage of unsolicited copies of "The National Sunday Law"—again!) This forum is not the place for indoctrination campaigns. You have been here so short a time, you may not have noticed that no one else is here to push "pet doctrines." Everyone else is interested in exploring and sharing insights, challenges and answers to questions that they really have. I know of no one who has requested a series of articles pushing the SDA distinctives. PLease keep such to yourself. They change the whole character of the forum in ways that most of us are not interested in changing it.

Because you are fairly new here, you may not know that I am the one who makes decisions about banning participants. I usually put up with a lot of nonsense from someone before I ban them, but the quality of the dialogue here is important enough to me that, if someone continues to degrade the discussions, I have been known to ban them.

So much for those who think I have the patience of Job!

[RND]

RND,

I must say that I am rather weary of your irrelevant responses. If you have nothing to say with reference to the questions posed, then you are not obligated to answer. You should assume that when someone posts a question, they are seeking answers to their question, not diatribes that have nothing to do with what they are asking. If you don't know the answer, you can always "sit this one out."

I have to say that I have begun to wonder if you know how to read, or have enough respect for others to even attempt to hear what they are saying—or if you just look for buzz-words and phrases in other peoples' posts that trigger one of your pet peeves and that set you off running to who-knows-where!

You seem to think that everyone is hungering for your input, whether you know anything or have anything relevant to say or not. Let me help you out here: this is not the case. This is not the "Ask RND Forum." This is a community of Christians in dialogue, and I would request that, if you wish to participate in it, you only do so when you have something germane to contribute. Otherwise, by burdening the pages of the forum with rabbit trails and agenda-driven discourses, you will drive away people (like me) who would like to interact with people where they are at and on the topics they wish to discuss. You and your opinions are not the subject of everybody's fascination here, much as this may surprise you.

I have always had good relations with the Seventh-Day Adventists that I have known, and have never felt any obligation to convert them to my way of seeing things. Lately, however, several SDA's seem to have suddenly gone militant with their strange doctrines (many of my friends and I have recently received a fresh barrage of unsolicited copies of "The National Sunday Law"—again! This forum is not the place for indoctrination campaigns. You have been here sop short a time, you may not have noticed that no one else is here to push "pet doctrines." Everyone else is interested in exploring and sharing insights, challenges and answers to questions that they really have. I know of no one who has requested a series of articles pushing the SDA distinctives. PLease keep such to yourself. They change the whole character of the forum in ways that most of us are not interested in changing it.

So much for those who think I have the patience of Job!

Sorry to hear you feel the way you do Steve.