The Coming Destruction of the Apostate Church

[FreeIndeed]

It's the collusion between the first and second Beast of Rev 13 that is the thing to watch.

Hi Chris, I'm really hoping you can be specific about this. Meaning, how this is going to play out before our eyes and what exactly WE (you and I and the rest of the world are about to see).

The only reason I ask is because I've seen this so many times in the past. A prophecy teacher will throw out a couple of verses and say that's what we need to look for.

And it seems as though they're being purposely vague; that way if it doesn't come to pass, they can just keep saying the same things over and over.

I also hope you're really sincerely willing to work through this with me. I've also experienced people blaming it on me, as though I'm apostate because I'm unwilling to just except what has been suggested.

RV my Brother, Thank you for asking. I promise I will stick with oyu on this one until you get it. This is it buddy. This is the thing to watch. I would appreciate it if you would listen to this message from James Lloyd first. and also theis one from Dean Gotcher. The Diaprax is foundational to understand. Listen to these 2 messages and you will understand what the diaprax is. I will be thrilled to dialog about this as much as you want because this is the thing to watch. I'll give you a hint. It's the principle Satan has used since the Garden. He polarizes opposing forces and that's how he causes the change. James Lloyd
http://threshingfloor-radio.com/wp-cont ... -Lloyd.mp3
really address the 2 Beasts. Dean Gotcher
http://threshingfloor-radio.com/wp-cont ... 1-12-2010-
address the Dialectic Process in the Church itself.

[selah]

FreeIndeed,

thanks so much for NOT taking me wrong! I certainly meant no disrespect, I was just speaking from my heart, being vulnerable you know.

FreeIndeed quoted selah: "FreeIndeed, is this important to you? Is this your point to telling the "shocking" information, to help people fill their spiritual oil lamps?"

I want to bear my soul here a little. I confess I've jumped in and out of The Narrow Path forum over the last couple months just dropping bombs and leaving. I have had such a year of turmoil from speaking out about what the Lord has shown me. I love and deeply respect the people here on the forum. I spent many hours here over the years growing. I depended on Steves teaching as spiritual food as I was sitting in a Seeker freindly Church dying on the vine. I owe much to Steve and his MP3 teachings and hang solidly on his teaching about Israel. I feel what the Lord has now shown me is adding to Steves teaching.

Thanks for sounding honest and humble. I would like to make a few points:
In my post to you, I bore my soul too. I was hoping to be received in kindness.
I too know how it felt to sit in church and feel like your dying on the vine.
As I mentioned, I appreciate Steve Gregg's teachings too.

Right now is the time right before the first trumpet sounds when the Remnant are being sealed.

With THIS theolgy, THIS could explain why the urgency in your 'voice.' Come to think of it, I believe SDA's believe there will be a time of sealing, when no one else can "get saved" even if they want to. Is that right?

FreeIndeed quoted the Bible: "For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." Rev 19: 3 & 4

I consider myself a simple "peasant" woman, without time to really understand eschatology (although for years, I have looked at used book stores for Revelation: Four Views and have not found it.) Being the simple woman I am, I don't claim to understand how all the scripture comes together as a whole picture. However, the verses above "speak" to me, and I can't help but take notice of any system that is not faithful (fornication) to our Lord, and those leaders (kings of the earth) get wealthy (wax rich) from "delicacies" (RCC, Christian congregations that think we're in prosperous nations to get big houses, cars, etc., big pharma, big medicine (the World Health Organization), etc. I know a young man who almost took a job in oil on an offshore rig. He has connections and could work his way up to wealth in oil, but he had a dream that he stood on a mountain top and could see all the carnage caused by BIG oil companies. I am happy to say that he declined the job. He didn't want to do anything that would inadvertently lead to the destruction of communities (human lives) in oil rich countries. That is another "merchant" in my opinion. I didn't need to come out of it myself, but I prayed the young man would not enter in.

I felt like I heard my Father say, come out of her (again, any system that co-horts to burden the peoples/planet in an effort to become rich with power and money...) so I pray to be careful (wise and faithful).

Do you think I understand this one scripture well?

Scripture says when we see these things come to pass Stand in the Holy Place. The Holy place is safe. we don't have to fear. god will protect us. I will pick this up some more. I have to go now I'll be back in a couple hours. Those SDA's have a lot of the end times scenario down but they go eway off on some key issues. I'll stick with you on it sister. Don't worry. don't forget perfect love casts out fear. Chris

In The Holy Place you mention, would you be referring to Ps. 91:1? Thanks for the reminder of I John 4:18. I'd like a whole thread about this verse!

I want to be faithful in these troubling times. I think it was troubling in the middle ages too though, so while I am open to the soon coming of our Lord Jesus, I want to be faithful to Him no matter what age we live in.

I'm interested in this topic for these reasons:

My SDA mom is coming Tuesday for three weeks and my oldest bio bro is a SDA lay minister. He wrote a book about his beliefs. He has a website too. I wonder, I think every scripture is filtered through "The Desire of Ages" by E.G. White. I respect these family members, but am not sure we can extrapolate so much depth and detail from the Bible. However, I desire to be close to them so I want to be somewhat knowledgeable and articulate in things important to them.
I'm not so "scared" that I won't listen and read! In fact, I read through Revelations about five times in the past ten years. I have my own thoughts about it......
Some aspects of the world do seem to HAVE ALREADY gone in the direction that the SDA taught/teach. Plus, have you read some of the RCC quotes? They admit to fooling the world of Christianity into paganism. They seem to revel in knowing that they have ALREADY confused and deceived the masses of western religious denominations. So I think the SDAs have part of the truth. (We all see in part, Paul said.)
I seek unity with my brothers and sisters who believe differently from me, but not through a socio-political-religious alliance. I seek unity through the love of Jesus.

Thanks for your post to me. I'll read yours. Maybe I'll even show the pc screen to my mom so she can see what you believe too. Probably won't post so much for a while but will read. May the Holy Spirit lead you.

[RV]

RV my Brother, Thank you for asking. I promise I will stick with oyu on this one until you get it. This is it buddy. This is the thing to watch. I would appreciate it if you would listen to this message from James Lloyd first. and also theis one from Dean Gotcher. The Diaprax is foundational to understand. Listen to these 2 messages and you will understand what the diaprax is. I will be thrilled to dialog about this as much as you want because this is the thing to watch. I'll give you a hint. It's the principle Satan has used since the Garden. He polarizes opposing forces and that's how he causes the change. James Lloyd
http://threshingfloor-radio.com/wp-cont ... -Lloyd.mp3
really address the 2 Beasts. Dean Gotcher
http://threshingfloor-radio.com/wp-cont ... 1-12-2010-
address the Dialectic Process in the Church itself.

I got through about 28 min. of the first link. I'm sorry, but I didn't hear anything new. I may have stopped before something big came, but I didn't want to spend to much time on it.

Instead of posting links, I'd rather you just share what God has shown you.

I was under the impression you were getting a revelation from God.

Chris, I think what happens sometimes, when we realize problems with one thing, we tend to cling to something else that makes sense until the fog clears on that as well.

So... would you just mind sharing how and when God is going to do to intervene?

The guy on the program kept saying God was about to intervene. Can you tell me when and how?

Please be specific. Honestly, it shouldn't take a lot of work to explain something that is about to happen.

[Mellontes]

The guy on the program kept saying God was about to intervene. Can you tell me when and how?

"About to" intervene?? What does that mean? Does it mean 2,000 years from now? Isn't that what the futurist understanding is of those two small words?

To the futurists it means at least 2,000 years or thereabouts in the following verses. Note that the Greek word is given in parenthesis and the translation of that Greek word is bolded and underlined. In each case it is the Greek word "mello," Strong's 3195 and indicates intent and usually an "about to" intent. The futurists were pretty "sloppy" and 'hazy" dealing with the immediate future of this one Greek word...

Matthew 3:7 – But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come (μελλουσης)?

Matthew 12:32 – And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come (μελλοντι).

Matthew 16:27-28 – For the Son of man shall (μελλει) come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. 28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Matthew 24:6 – And ye shall (μελλησετε) hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

Mark 13:4 – Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall (μελλη) be fulfilled?

Luke 3:7 – Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come (μελλουσης)?

Luke 21:7 – And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall (μελλη) come to pass?

Luke 21:36 – Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall (μελλοντα) come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Acts 17:31 – Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will (μελλει) judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Acts 23:3 – Then said Paul unto him, God shall (μελλει) smite thee, thou whited wall: for sittest thou to judge me after the law, and commandest me to be smitten contrary to the law?

Acts 24:15 – And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall (μελλειν) be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

Romans 8:18 – For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall (μελλουσαν) be revealed in us.

Ephesians 1:21 – Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come (μελλοντι):

1 Timothy 6:19 – Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come (μελλον), that they may lay hold on eternal life.

2 Timothy 4:1 – I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall (μελλοντος) judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

James 2:12 – So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be (μελλοντες) judged by the law of liberty.

And a few more...

[steve7150]

I don't know what she means in terms of "get ready." I've never heard a clear answer to that question







I think the SDAs believe Christ will return and his followers will be lifted up to meet the Lord in the air , the earth burned up and the Lord and his followers go up to heaven for a thousand years. So maybe she wants you to pack up your stuff.
They also believe in a brief tribulation period before his return, perhaps 45 days.

[RV]

Chris...

Please don't get distracted... please address my questions.

[FreeIndeed]

My revelation was exactly one year ago. I became aware of the New World Order http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gorG2XYYZno 6 weeks prior. In studying it and drawing off my 28 years of Christian study, in one moment I was hit with perfect clarity, The New World Order is the Beast System. Since that time my study has gone from conspiracy to prophecy. I ‘ve spent the last year relearning pretty much everything I had been taught. I started over with “I know Christ and him crucified”. And rebuilt from there. My relearning process has also included shedding of idols. This has been the key to hearing God and I am.

I’ve come to the point where I see the real situation at hand is the polarization between the Apostate Church and Israel. The evolution of the Apostasy went like this. It started in the 70’s when Chuck Smith and Calvary Chapel decided to inject Rock music into the Church. This came on the heels of the 60’s New Age Movement. Today this has matured and we have the Christian Establishment completely leavened. The New Age movement has completely infiltrated the Church and replaced the Gospel of Repentance and Conversion with the Gospel of prosperity and complacency. It has gone from Evangelical and separate to inclusive, helpful and nonoffensive. This is the False Prophet.

At the same time we have seen the Masonic creation known as The State of Israel manifest as the greatest hoax ever imposed on mankind. The State of Israel today is the result of 100 solid years of brainwashing resulting in the bulk of the Apostate Church believing it must support this fraud known as The State of Israel. This is a fulfillment of prophecy though in Rev 13:3 and actually Mat 24:32 but not the way Hal Lindsey told us.

What we are seeing today is the power of the 2nd beast the false prophet diminishing as the power of the 1st beast increases. I was so amazed last week after realizing how in the six months time since I last looked Salem Communications, has pretty much devoted their entire Commercial Christian Jugernaut to promoting the First Beast. I became aware that Salem was buying up Christian Radio stations left and right but only now realize they pretty much control the entire Christian Media Market. Internet, Radio, TV and Publishing. Their subtle agenda is obvious, continue to feed the dying Apostate Church with Luke warm material and at the same time point them to the !st Beast,
Here’s where this is headed. Christian Zionism, with the help of the Hebrew Roots Movement will continue to grow and grow. I’m talking the whole Harlot,
The Emergent Church, The Vatican everything. It’s all on the fast track to merging into the one world religion. This whole Apostate mess believes The Physical Jews are the Chosen People.
The New World Order is based on the blueprint from the Talmud layed out by the Freemasonic Zionists. The “master plan” has been to disguise the true nature of Zionism and the deep roots of Jewish supremacy, from which it sprang. The Zionist’s singular goal, “the...negation of exile,” (ie returning to the Holy Land) was a fraud, according to the neocon prophet Leo Strauss who confessed that they had harbored an equally important secondary objective of proving that “the power of religion has been broken.” (from Leo Strauss review of Freud’s Future Of An Illusion)

Their real intention was to force a reversal of world history, all the way back to pre-exile Eretz Yisrael. The plan was to force the fulfillment of “The Birthright,” without God’s help, creating a kingdom of Jews without God, enthroning themselves at the center of the world. Zionism is an atheistic movement masquerading as the fulfillment of religious prophecy. Zionism is a plan for an end run around God’s. It is Satanism
The birthright was the promise that Messiah would come through Abraham's Seed, which was fulfilled in Christ. The promise (birthright) belonged to the eldest son, Esau, but he sold it to Jacob. However, the Jews believe that they (the whole nation) are the Messiah, and so the birthright is theirs. They consider themselves to be the "suffering servant", as well as the "ruler" who will come forth at the end. In other words, they will bring salvation to mankind, and they will rule the world. Esau still thinks he has the birthright.
This is the true goal of the New World Order, to rule the world from Jerusalem, a master race ruling over the goyim. Part of the agenda has been to destroy the moral fiber of society which they’ve pretty much done. Study the Protocols of the learned Elders of Zion and you will see the treachery that has pretty much come to fruition.
The next step in their plan is to collapse the economy. This will bring the Apostate Harlot Church to it’s knees. I was asking you to listen to those MP3s because understanding the Dialectic Process at work here is the key. The Dialectic process is going on everywhere here. In the Church for example, we have Hot, Cold, Luke warm. The seeker friendly movement was a great idea but it didn’t work. Instead of the Hot Believer pulling the Cold seeker to Hot. The Seeker pulled the Hot believers to Luke Warm. Well Zechariah 13 says 2 parts are cut off and die.
This dialectic process is everywhere. It is the heart of the Apostasy. Jesus and the rich young ruler. Jesus told the Rich young ruler to sell everything. Jesus said this didacticly. Jesus stated this as an absolute fact and the rich young ruler walked away. Jesus moved on. The New Christianity would engage him in the Dialectic Process. They would run after him and plug him into a small group to dialog. The rich young ruler, and his friends would drag the Hot people in the small group to Luke Warm as they dialoged to consensious because heaven forbid we say anything that offend the rich young ruler and his friends and cause them to leave.. This pattern of compromise has leavened the Church. Pastors today don’t dare be as offensive as Jesus because they’re all strapped with unreal mortgage payments. Todays Mega Church is pretty much built on the Love of Money.
Back to the first Beast. The Little Horn Israel who’s mortal wound was healed in 1948 is the command center for the New World Order. This is the vision of all Israeli Prime ministers, all Masons, from David Ben Gurion to Bengimin Netanyahu, most of the US Presidents almost all Masons save the one who spoke out about it Kennedy. The forces Kennedy was coming against are in full power today. The Federal Reserve, The Israeli Lobby (AIPAC) and the CIA (aka NAZI SS) Kennedy was a public execution in front of the Masonic Temple in Dealy Plaza.

Well this thing is set to explode. The economic collapse will usher in WW3 fulfilling the plan for global domination. The goal of this war is to destroy Christianity and Islam. Right now Christians are dupped into believing they must stand by Israel in this Holy war against Islam. The fact is Satan is playing Christians Jews and Muslims like a fiddle. These opposing forces have been polarized by the Masons. Throw in diversions like Mason Tim LaHaye taught us about Christians not having to worry about any of this because they will be raptured. or the diversion of the Masonic Temple of Solomon taking Christians attention away from the real abomination that is already well under way as the man of sin the son of perdition has already entered the Temple of God.

The truth is the economic collapse and WW3 will be the Great Tribulation. Right now we are in the “Transition” The Transition is where in scripture, The Truth, which had been entrusted to the church is now being transitioned to the Remnant who have come out of the Harlot. The next event on the prophetic calender is the sealing of the Remnant. I’m putting a full study together on this right now I’ll share it with you if you’d like when I’m done.

The Beast Israel, and the False Prophet which includes the Apostate Evangelical establishment, and the Vatican are polarized. The False Prophet is wondering after the Beast. The ultimate goal of the Luciferian New World Order is a Global Government a Global Economy, and a Global Religion. It’s all planned to be centered in Israel. The ADL, The Council for National Policy, (The Christian Right) CUFI are all in collusion. This is where the action is. The ADL has all the hate laws in place. Christian Zionism and CUFI are brainwashed into supporting the Beast.

The Remnant see the Apostasy, are sealed, and will be protected through the tribulation. There are 3 other groups left in the Apostate Church. The Multitude, the Serpents and the Scorpions. The Serpents and the Scorpions will be cut off and die. These are the false teachers and the money changers. The multitude will wake up as the tribulation events unfold. They will be brought through the fire and refined. They will be purified to be received by Jesus as the Spotless Bride. This is the Great Harvest. Anyone who clearly sees the Apostasy and has or is inclined to come out of the whore is probably Remnant. Remnant Theology will make sense to you.

Zechariah 13: 8, 9
And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; (The Serpents and Scorpions) but the third shall be left therein. (The Multitude) And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God

The End Game will be the Remnant and the awakened Multitude standing up to the Beast System. The whole Beast Religion will be
John 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
Executing the Multitudes for antisemitism. This will take place under the Noahide laws which are already in place Bush the elder signed them into law in 1993. Christianity is Idolatry because of belief in the Trinity, punishable by beheading. The World Criminal Court is already in place in Israel. Ultimately this will all fall under the jurisdiction of the Pale Horse The UN.
So that’s a quick overview of the collusion between the 1st and 2nd Beast. I’ll be happy to expound on any point if you like.

Chris
http://www.thirdgreatawakening.org

[selah]

I don't know what she means in terms of "get ready." I've never heard a clear answer to that question







I think the SDAs believe Christ will return and his followers will be lifted up to meet the Lord in the air , the earth burned up and the Lord and his followers go up to heaven for a thousand years. So maybe she wants you to pack up your stuff.

Yes

...but the stuff is theology that I don't know one way or the other about, for example the Sabbath, the state of the dead, eschatology, etc. etc.

I have spent the bulk of my Christian walk trying to learn how to let God change my character and grow to produce His kind of fruit. I think SDAs as a group forget about that part of Christianity.

They also believe in a brief tribulation period before his return, perhaps 45 days.

I wish you were right about this. Well, you are right about the tribulation but, I believe they say it will last seven years, and they predict horrific torture will happen to some SDA and Sabbath keepers. I'm sure (at least some of them) believe that.

[RV]

The next event on the prophetic calender is the sealing of the Remnant. I’m putting a full study together on this right now I’ll share it with you if you’d like when I’m done

Yes, since this is the next event, I'd like to learn more about this. Time frame and all the details you can provide.

I’ve come to the point where I see the real situation at hand is the polarization between the Apostate Church and Israel. The evolution of the Apostasy went like this. It started in the 70’s when Chuck Smith and Calvary Chapel decided to inject Rock music into the Church. This came on the heels of the 60’s New Age Movement. Today this has matured and we have the Christian Establishment completely leavened. The New Age movement has completely infiltrated the Church and replaced the Gospel of Repentance and Conversion with the Gospel of prosperity and complacency. It has gone from Evangelical and separate to inclusive, helpful and nonoffensive. This is the False Prophet.

That's interesting... because I'm seeing something totally different.Those outside the church that I've come in contact with seem to think the church is rigid and lacks a welcoming spirit.

I'm looking forward to hearing more about the sealing of the Remnant.

One other thing... is there a point in time, if something doesn't come to pass, you'll start rethinking some of this? If so, what will that look like? I'm again looking for something very specific.

[steve7150]

steve7150 wrote:
They also believe in a brief tribulation period before his return, perhaps 45 days.I wish you were right about this. Well, you are right about the tribulation but, I believe they say it will last seven years, and they predict horrific torture will happen to some SDA and Sabbath keepers. I'm sure (at least some of them) believe that.




Hi Selah, My understanding of the SDAa which comes from Doug Batchelor at amazingfacts.org is that they do follow the 10 commandments and that they believe in a brief tribulation period taken from Dan 12. They do not generally speaking believe in a 7 yr trib because they take Dan 9.27 as being fulfilled in Jesus ministry up to Stephen being stoned to death.
Now perhaps individual pastors have their own private interpretations that differ from their mainline doctrine.