Mellontes wrote:I might now be the smartest around here
LOL.... I am almost certain you meant to say I might NOT be the smartest around here.
Just had to poke a jab at ya brother.
Second coming - individualized
Re: Second coming - individualized
LOL.... I am almost certain you meant to say I might NOT be the smartest around here.
Just had to poke a jab at ya brother.
Re: Second coming - individualized
Hmmmm...I guess I have the perfect chance of letting you believe it was a typo or that really...Douglas wrote:Mellontes wrote:I might now be the smartest around here
LOL.... I am almost certain you meant to say I might NOT be the smartest around here.
Just had to poke a jab at ya brother.
Re: Second coming - individualized
How many here would be willing to say that the phrase "end of the world (age)" or "end of this world (age)" as in Matthew 13:39, 40, 49; 24:3; 28:20; Hebrews 9:26; believe that it has to do with the total demise of our planet, a partial demise of the planet, or just a layer or two burning off of the planet?
I know that I do not believe this for even a nanosecond. The "end of the world (age)" is referring to the time when Judaism will be finished and all the types and shadows of the old covenant system annihilated for good. This will consumate, manifest and bring to light entirely upon its own the new covenant in Christ. No longer would "being in Christ" be associated with just a Jewish sect. No longer could people fall back into Judaism under the tremendous Jewish persecution of that first century.
Every "end of the world" phrase is Strong's 165 - age. Please note that the old covenant system was wiped out a long time ago and never will return again. A return to the types and shadows system is an affront to the Christ who fulfilled them in every aspect. Dispensationalism completely misses this understanding!
I know that I do not believe this for even a nanosecond. The "end of the world (age)" is referring to the time when Judaism will be finished and all the types and shadows of the old covenant system annihilated for good. This will consumate, manifest and bring to light entirely upon its own the new covenant in Christ. No longer would "being in Christ" be associated with just a Jewish sect. No longer could people fall back into Judaism under the tremendous Jewish persecution of that first century.
Every "end of the world" phrase is Strong's 165 - age. Please note that the old covenant system was wiped out a long time ago and never will return again. A return to the types and shadows system is an affront to the Christ who fulfilled them in every aspect. Dispensationalism completely misses this understanding!
Re: Second coming - individualized
I agree with you Mellontes in regards to the end of the planet earth, but I wonder when do you consider the "end" of the old covenant and the "start" of the new covenant, at the Cross or 70 AD?
Re: Second coming - individualized
"The more a man has publicly declared his views on a subject——even to the point of defending them against rival viewpoints——the more tempted he will be to remain of the same mind and to increasingly demonize other viewpoints (which is usually a sure sign of insecurity). Once this attitude has been adopted, both prejudice and pride tend to guarantee that the affected man will do no more learning on the topic in question. "
A quote I found by a wise man that I thought might be helpful here....
We are all hopefully trying to learn and grow in truth and knowledge of Jesus and therefore I continue to try to be open minded regarding our understanding.
A quote I found by a wise man that I thought might be helpful here....
We are all hopefully trying to learn and grow in truth and knowledge of Jesus and therefore I continue to try to be open minded regarding our understanding.
Re: Second coming - individualized
Inauguration of the new covenant = Calvary (Matthew 26:28, Mark 14:24, Luke 22:20)Douglas wrote:I agree with you Mellontes in regards to the end of the planet earth, but I wonder when do you consider the "end" of the old covenant and the "start" of the new covenant, at the Cross or 70 AD?
Complete manifestation of this covenant is the time when the old covenant is completely gone. (Hebrews 10:9)
End of the old covenant = the time the temple and genealogies were destroyed - circa 70 AD (Hebrews 8:13)
May I recommend a study on Strong's 1242? the Greek word is translated "covenant" and "testament" which may get a little confusing especially when one might think of the old and new testaments having something to with covenants...