Where will Jesus return?

Post by **__id_2546** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:22 am

I would love to hear everyone's opinion on this...especially people who are amill......

Post by **_Michelle** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:35 am

Earth

edited to add: sorry....that was a little rude

Post by **__id_2546** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:35 am

haha...yes....Earth...but where on Earth?

Post by **_TK** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:13 am

i thought his foot was going to touch the mount of olives causing it to split and a river to flow out of it, or something like that. and everybody's supposed to be able to see it from wherever they are.

TK

Post by **_Seth** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:44 am

Is there any question it'll be Springfield?

Fortunately, with the Internet, everyone around the globe will know pretty soon after he lands.

Is it just me, or isn't it a bit strange to think about Jesus coming back to a spherical planet? I mean, how are those on the opposite side supposed to see it?

Could it be that *everyone* will see him? If so, might it be just a tad useless to speculate about where he'll actually land?

Personally, I think the earth will flatten out so we can all get a good view.

Post by **_TK** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 1:36 pm

i forget how the "left behind" books described it. but i think by some miracle everybody could see it- perhaps via a vision. i can't remember exactly.

TK

Post by **_Allyn** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 1:58 pm

If we meet Him in the air as 1Thess 4 says then I would say "the air".

Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

Then we will accompany Him back here to earth (I suppose immediately) and since the new heaven and earth shall be instituted it probably won't be a place with a name. I have a feeling it will be the place once called Nebraska.

Post by **_Paidion** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 5:47 pm

Matthew 24:27 For as the lighting [not "lightning"] comes from the east and shines to the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

That the word is sometimes (if not always) "lighting" can be seen from Luke 11:36

... as when the lamp with its lighting illumines you.

In the Matthew passage it seems the "lighting" refers to the sun. For the lighting of the sun comes from the east and shines to the west. This is not the case with lightning.

When the sun comes up and shines all day, everyone is aware of it. If Jesus' coming is like that, then It will be no "secret coming" as some teach. Indeed, Jesus warned against those who said he was in the "secret chambers ... that such would be a false Messiah.

I believe that Christ is returning bodily. The angels said to those watching Christ's ascension:

"This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven." Acts 1:11

Maybe He will return to the Mount of Olives. Maybe not. But in any case "every eye shall see him". I don't know how that will happen, whether by television or by some miracle of God. But it will be so. So it doesn't seem to matter just where on the earth he will appear.

Post by **_Suzana** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:09 pm

Apart from the fact that not every single person on the planet has such access, I personally don't think God will need to rely on television or the internet to make known such an unbeleivably momentous event as the end of the world as we know it...we are talking about the Creater of the universe after all!
I tend to think it will be in Israel, just from a poetic perspective.
Just some random thoughts in light of Paidion's take on this:

In the Matthew passage it seems the "lighting" refers to the sun. For the lighting of the sun comes from the east and shines to the west. This is not the case with lightning.

What if, when we meet the Lord in the air, we don't immediately descend back to earth, but stay long enough for the earth to revolve around us so everybody back on earth sees what's happening?
Or, what if there is so many multitutes of resurrected people, and angels, so that there are enough bodies to physically surround the whole globe, so every eye will see the Lord's return??
Pure speculation of course.
By the way,
"This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven." Acts 1:11

I also don't believe there will be a secret coming, but could someone glean that from this verse? Because 'in the same way' might refer not just to the method, but also to the fact that it was seen only by His disciples?
I guess we need to interpret this in light of all other scriptures on the topic.

Post by **_Paidion** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:50 pm

Sue you wrote:Apart from the fact that not every single person on the planet has such access, I personally don't think God will need to rely on television or the internet to make known such an unbeleivably momentous event as the end of the world as we know it...we are talking about the Creater of the universe after all!

Yes, it's certainly true that God wouldn't "need to rely on television" to make known the coming of Christ.

It's also true that God doesn't "need to rely on television" to make the gospel known. Yet, sometimes He does use that medium (in spite of the kooks and charlatans who also use it to propogate their false gospels).

Also, God doesn't "need to rely on the faith of a sick person" in order to heal him or her. Yet, sometimes He uses that faith to heal. On at least one occasion, Jesus said, "Your faith has made you well."