another ressurrection question...

[Mazx67]

At the 2nd coming, do the non saved dead get an immortal perfect ressurrected body like the saved people?

[steve]

They are resurrected (John 5:28-29/ Acts 24:15), but it is never said that their resurrected bodies are immortal. Some say that they are mortal and temporary, and will be annihilated after they stand judgment. Others say they are immortal, so that they can be tormented eternally in hell (I suppose the universalists would also opt for immortal). The truth is, the Bible says nothing directly about the immortality of the resurrected lost, so one's view of the ultimate destiny of the unbelievers would have to inform one's opinion on this point as well.

[Jill]

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[Mazx67]

They way understand it, and I am always learning new stuff and altering my views about eschatology, but what is stated by Paul who trys to make it clear to the doubting Thessalonians, in 2nd coming of Christ, thta the dead in Christ will rise first. Then , then as stated in the bible, the saved living will be changed in the twinkling of eye, and both will meet Christ in the air. I wouldn't think the all, including the non saved will be changed in the twinkling of an eye to meet Christ in the air, or else I think Paul would have said so, and why would the non saved meet up with Christ in the air with the believers?

There isn't a mention of the non saved or the dead non saved being raised at this time, and with the fact that the Earth and everything will be destroyed in Fire, I would think that the living non saved people will be destroyed in that event, which occurs on a the day of the Lord, the end of history, happening all on that day. I am not sure what will happen to the non saved and the dead non saved beyond this event, but we do know for certain that at some point, all will come out of the graves to be judged, and bend their knee to confess Christ.

[Mazx67]

Grandma said that..... at the second coming of Jesus Christ, the wicked would probably not be able to survive, and the righteous would be changed in the "twinkling of an eye". In our "patriarchal blessings", given often to us as young teens, or as new members of the church upon request, many are promised that as one remains true to the scriptures and to God through strictest obedience, that they will be able to "come forth on the morning of the first resurection". There is however a second resurection taught, and that being of the wicked AFTER the 1000 years of Peace. The Millenium. Durring which time Jesus Christ will reign upon the earth personally. After that comes THE JUDGMENT[/b],and our "eternal reward" or eternal "state", which then gets into the 3-kingdoms of glory doctrines.

I'm not wanting to "push" anything onto anyone, but maybe some don't know we believe these things.

The first statement in that sentence sounds good to me, but the rest of it, I personally can't find that in scripture. What is the point of Christ reigning as an Earthly king for 1,000 yrs? They tried to make him an Earthly King in the New Testament and he fleed away from them. The Kingdom is plainly stated, that it is not of this world. I have found no reason in scripture as to why Christ would reign on the Earth, as an Earthly King for 1,000yrs before the final ending. I see the end, as the end. The end of Earthly history. And after the end, when it's all made anew, a new Heaven and Earth, Christ will turn it all over to the Father.

[Mellontes]

Grandma said that..... at the second coming of Jesus Christ, the wicked would probably not be able to survive, and the righteous would be changed in the "twinkling of an eye". In our "patriarchal blessings", given often to us as young teens, or as new members of the church upon request, many are promised that as one remains true to the scriptures and to God through strictest obedience, that they will be able to "come forth on the morning of the first resurection". There is however a second resurection taught, and that being of the wicked AFTER the 1000 years of Peace. The Millenium. Durring which time Jesus Christ will reign upon the earth personally. After that comes THE JUDGMENT[/b],and our "eternal reward" or eternal "state", which then gets into the 3-kingdoms of glory doctrines.

I'm not wanting to "push" anything onto anyone, but maybe some don't know we believe these things.

The first statement in that sentence sounds good to me, but the rest of it, I personally can't find that in scripture. What is the point of Christ reigning as an Earthly king for 1,000 yrs? They tried to make him an Earthly King in the New Testament and he fleed away from them. The Kingdom is plainly stated, that it is not of this world. I have found no reason in scripture as to why Christ would reign on the Earth, as an Earthly King for 1,000yrs before the final ending. I see the end, as the end. The end of Earthly history. And after the end, when it's all made anew, a new Heaven and Earth, Christ will turn it all over to the Father.

Ephesians 1:20-21 - Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

Seems to me that He is reigning from heaven in both the ages. I guess we will have to argue/discuss what the "age to come" meant when it was written. I know a lot of people refer to this age beginning just after the second coming, which means millennial kingdom for many.

[RND]

At the 2nd coming, do the non saved dead get an immortal perfect ressurrected body like the saved people?

No, not in my opinion anyway. Only the righteous raised immortal and incorruptible that Christs second coming. I think Revelation 20:4-5 point out that only the righteous reign with Christ during the millennium sabbath. After the thousand years the unrighteous dead are raised into judgment.

[Jill]

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[RND]

SHABBAT (SABBATH) AND THE MILLENNIUM

AKA Ussher's chronology.

Time Lines and Chronology (Prophecy and History)

Just as the earth was to enjoy "rest" every seventh year:

Lev 25:4 But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard.

So too will the earth made new enjoy a sabbath rest of 1,000 years.

[Jill]

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