I am wondering people's opinions on the Beast in Rev 17?
Who the 7 kings are in vs. 7?
The 8th king vs. 11?
The ten horns/kings vs. 12?
Beast that the Woman Rides in Rev 17
Re: Beast that the Woman Rides in Rev 17
The Harlot that rides the beast represents the unfaithful church that has entered into an illicit relationship with the political rulers of the world, “the kings of the earth” (17:2). Temporal political power. That is why she is able to persecute all dissenters (She is drunk with the blood of the saints). The beast represents the temporal power of the church/state conglomeration which first began in 538AD and lasted until 1798AD (1260 years).RKCastillo wrote:I am wondering people's opinions on the Beast in Rev 17?
Here's an in depth study on the subject that you might find interesting:
A Woman Rides The Beast - (Revelation 17)
I'm not saying that this study is 100% correct but it does highlight some intriguing points of history that seem to coincide with world events. Enjoy!
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Re: Beast that the Woman Rides in Rev 17
Since Jesus said that "all things written" would be fulfilled before that generation passed away (Luke 21), then we are obligated to look for the fulfillment within that time frame. Thus, the kings represented the number of Roman emperors who held power up until 70 AD. The ten horns/kings were the nations that had been conquered by the Roman empire and were subject to it.RKCastillo wrote:I am wondering people's opinions on the Beast in Rev 17?
Who the 7 kings are in vs. 7?
The 8th king vs. 11?
The ten horns/kings vs. 12?
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Re: Beast that the Woman Rides in Rev 17
I've done some reading....
Could the 7 be?
1. Julius Caesar,
2. Augustus
3. Tiberius
4. Caligula
5. Claudius
6. Nero
7. Galba
And the 10 horns be the governors of the 10 provinces that Rome had conquered?
Could the 7 be?
1. Julius Caesar,
2. Augustus
3. Tiberius
4. Caligula
5. Claudius
6. Nero
7. Galba
And the 10 horns be the governors of the 10 provinces that Rome had conquered?
Re: Beast that the Woman Rides in Rev 17
That would only work if pagan Rome was still in power. It is not, as it's time in the prophetic calendar ended in 476 AD. Temporal Rome is in power now.RKCastillo wrote:I've done some reading....
Could the 7 be?
1. Julius Caesar,
2. Augustus
3. Tiberius
4. Caligula
5. Claudius
6. Nero
7. Galba
And the 10 horns be the governors of the 10 provinces that Rome had conquered?
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860
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Re: Beast that the Woman Rides in Rev 17
I concur and this harmonizes perfectly with the time frame our Lord placed upon the fulfillment of His prophecy.RKCastillo wrote:I've done some reading....
Could the 7 be?
1. Julius Caesar,
2. Augustus
3. Tiberius
4. Caligula
5. Claudius
6. Nero
7. Galba
And the 10 horns be the governors of the 10 provinces that Rome had conquered?
preteristmouse
Re: Beast that the Woman Rides in Rev 17
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom [are] ten kings [that] shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
There shall be another kingdom that shall arise *after* the ten kings. That kingdom shall be different from the first (Babylon) and it shall subdue three kingdoms.
25 And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Who speaks against the Most High? Who wears out the saints of the Most High? Who changes "times and laws" and what are those "times and laws" that are changed? How long does this "little horn power" rule? 3 1/2 days? Months? Years?
The Woman that rides the Beast
Riding also means to steer or direct the beast, in this case, the reigning government willing to do her bidding and enforce her false and impure dogmas.
What or who is the Woman? Here the whole of Christianity has been led astray by authors such as Dr. DeHaan and other rapture advocates. Their problem is with the three and a half years prophecy of Anti-Christ inherited from dispensationalist John Darby and the Oxford tract society who borrowed heavily from the Roman Catholic Counter-Reformation doctrines. DeHaan declares the 'woman' is none other than the Nation of Israel despite the fact that God says explicitly that He is finished with old Israel. Those who would make the woman the church, he said, will find it difficult to harmonize this fact with their interpretation.---35 Simple Studies on the major themes in Rev.,p.168.
Roman Catholicism of course declares the woman of Revelation 12 (Apocalypse), to be Mother Mary. No one has ever seen her in the wilderness yet. And how is the Nation of Israel going to mount the Beast 666 and lead the New World Order or the Catholic Church? This is absurd!
The woman is said to be clothed with the sun (sun of righteousness) and the moon is under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. Just as the moon has no light of its self and reflects the light of the sun, so the old testament light was only dim, a shadow of the new. The full truth and glory of Christ's righteousness shines now in the new testament age. The old Israel and the old testament had their twelve tribes, which have now been transferred to the new Israel and the new testament (James 1:1). We now also have the twelve apostles, and these are represented by the church or woman's crown with the twelve stars in Revelation (Apocalypse) chapter 12.
They are being hunted and persecuted by the Dragon which has seven crowns on his heads (verse2). The duration the woman had to flee from the dragon into the wilderness will also help to identify the woman. The literal three and a half years that Protestantism now believes in, is borrowed directly from Futurism of the Roman Catholic Church.
The Protestant version is the year day principle and we have shown that Satan worked for 1260 days of years from 538-1798 A.D. using the church of Rome to persecute the woman.
Paul says that he has espoused the true Christian convert as a "VIRGIN" to Christ (1.Cor.11:2) and every born again Christian is cleansed from sin by the blood of Jesus and therefore his life has been ironed out and no longer has wrinkles, spots (of sin) but should be holy and without blemish (Eph.5:27).
The shining robe of Jesus and His righteousness and His glory replaces our own righteousness, which is as filthy rags. But when we come to the end of chapter 12, we can see the identifying marks of the woman's offspring's, children, remnants or leftovers. They keep the Commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus and His testimony. The testimony are the Ten Commandments and Christianity should rename them to the Nine Commandments because they do not obey the fourth, The Sabbath of the Lord Jesus Christ. Ex.31:18;Ex.32:15,16;Apocalypse 15:5; 11:19 Ex.20:8-11 Mark 2:28
There shall be another kingdom that shall arise *after* the ten kings. That kingdom shall be different from the first (Babylon) and it shall subdue three kingdoms.
25 And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Who speaks against the Most High? Who wears out the saints of the Most High? Who changes "times and laws" and what are those "times and laws" that are changed? How long does this "little horn power" rule? 3 1/2 days? Months? Years?
The Woman that rides the Beast
Riding also means to steer or direct the beast, in this case, the reigning government willing to do her bidding and enforce her false and impure dogmas.
What or who is the Woman? Here the whole of Christianity has been led astray by authors such as Dr. DeHaan and other rapture advocates. Their problem is with the three and a half years prophecy of Anti-Christ inherited from dispensationalist John Darby and the Oxford tract society who borrowed heavily from the Roman Catholic Counter-Reformation doctrines. DeHaan declares the 'woman' is none other than the Nation of Israel despite the fact that God says explicitly that He is finished with old Israel. Those who would make the woman the church, he said, will find it difficult to harmonize this fact with their interpretation.---35 Simple Studies on the major themes in Rev.,p.168.
Roman Catholicism of course declares the woman of Revelation 12 (Apocalypse), to be Mother Mary. No one has ever seen her in the wilderness yet. And how is the Nation of Israel going to mount the Beast 666 and lead the New World Order or the Catholic Church? This is absurd!
The woman is said to be clothed with the sun (sun of righteousness) and the moon is under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. Just as the moon has no light of its self and reflects the light of the sun, so the old testament light was only dim, a shadow of the new. The full truth and glory of Christ's righteousness shines now in the new testament age. The old Israel and the old testament had their twelve tribes, which have now been transferred to the new Israel and the new testament (James 1:1). We now also have the twelve apostles, and these are represented by the church or woman's crown with the twelve stars in Revelation (Apocalypse) chapter 12.
They are being hunted and persecuted by the Dragon which has seven crowns on his heads (verse2). The duration the woman had to flee from the dragon into the wilderness will also help to identify the woman. The literal three and a half years that Protestantism now believes in, is borrowed directly from Futurism of the Roman Catholic Church.
The Protestant version is the year day principle and we have shown that Satan worked for 1260 days of years from 538-1798 A.D. using the church of Rome to persecute the woman.
Paul says that he has espoused the true Christian convert as a "VIRGIN" to Christ (1.Cor.11:2) and every born again Christian is cleansed from sin by the blood of Jesus and therefore his life has been ironed out and no longer has wrinkles, spots (of sin) but should be holy and without blemish (Eph.5:27).
The shining robe of Jesus and His righteousness and His glory replaces our own righteousness, which is as filthy rags. But when we come to the end of chapter 12, we can see the identifying marks of the woman's offspring's, children, remnants or leftovers. They keep the Commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus and His testimony. The testimony are the Ten Commandments and Christianity should rename them to the Nine Commandments because they do not obey the fourth, The Sabbath of the Lord Jesus Christ. Ex.31:18;Ex.32:15,16;Apocalypse 15:5; 11:19 Ex.20:8-11 Mark 2:28
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860
You Are Israel
Sabbath Truth
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You Are Israel
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