GUIDELINES FOR THE INTERPRETATION OF REVELATION

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GUIDELINES FOR THE INTERPRETATION OF REVELATION

Post by Duncan » Sun May 06, 2012 11:02 am

Well, volume II of my book (The Antichrist and the Second Coming: A Preterist Examination) is finally out. Volume I looked at Daniel and 2 Thessalonians. Volume II focuses on the book of Revelation. It is 640 pages (540 pages if you don’t read the endnotes ;-) and is essentially a commentary on the second half of Revelation (chapters 10-22) and is very readable. I argue against both the two comings theory of partial preterism and the AD 30-70 millennial notion of full preterism (I see the millennium as beginning at AD 70, cf. Dan. 7:21-22).
Barnes and Noble has the book. See here. http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-ant ... 1619965799
Here is the table of contents.

I. Introduction to Volume II
II. The Date of Revelation
III. The Subject of Revelation
IV. How to Interpret Revelation
V. The Beast From the Sea (Revelation 13:1-10)
VI. The Land Beast/False Prophet (Revelation 13:11-18)
VII. The Beast and the Harlot (Revelation 17)
VIII. The Beast and the Destruction of Babylon (Revelation 18)
IX. The Marriage of the Lamb and Destruction of the Beast at the Second Coming (Revelation 19)
X. The Millennium I: Preliminary Considerations
XI. The Millennium II (Revelation 20)
XII. The New Heaven and New Earth (Revelation 21-22)
XIII. Israel and the Gog and Magog Invasion
XIV. Where Are We Now?


Here is something from the book on how to interpret the book of Revelation.
I propose the following guidelines for the interpretation of Revelation:

1. The events of Revelation were about to happen when the book was written: The events described in Revelation would “shortly take place” (Rev. 1:1); the time was “near” when John wrote (Rev. 1:3). This nearness applied not just to the first three chapters, but to the prophecies of the book (Rev. 22:6-10).

2. Revelation was written around AD 65 under Nero—the sixth Caesar of Rome (Rev. 17:10): The historical context of Revelation is as follows: In early AD 67 Nero would send Vespasian and Titus to Judea to subdue the rebelling Jewish nation (cf. Rev. 6:1-2). This was the beginning of the end for Israel. Titus was the prince to come (Dan. 9:26); he would bring the covenant curses and fulfill God’s promise to destroy the Jewish nation for not keeping the covenant (cf. Deut. 28:49-53, 63-64). In June of AD 68 Nero would commit suicide and the whole Roman Empire would be thrown into crisis; the empire would be like a ship without a rudder for the next year and a half (Rev. 16:10-11). Rome would recover from its death throes in December of 69 (Rev. 13:3). At that time, Vespasian would go to sit on the throne at Rome while Titus returned to Judea (from Egypt, cf. Dan. 11:40-45) to finish his three-and-a-half-year destruction of the Jewish nation. The forty-two-month period (March/April of AD 67 to August/September of AD 70) that it took Titus to destroy the Jewish nation (Rev. 13:5) is the historical context of Revelation (Rev. 11:2; cf. Dan. 7:25; 12:7).

3. Revelation is a tale of two cities (Babylon and New Jerusalem) who are two wives (the harlot and the bride). It is obvious that the bride is a wife, as she is about to become married. Notice, however, that the harlot is also a wife—a widowed wife (Rev. 18:7). Unfaithful Israel went from a queen to a widow when she had her husband killed (cf. Matt. 21:5). These two women/cities represent the two covenants and those who were part of them. (Galatians 4:21-31 provides the basic narrative of Revelation.) The old covenant harlot (centered in Jerusalem, cf. Ezek. 16) is destroyed at the time that the new covenant bride (New Jerusalem) becomes married (Rev. 19:1-9; cf. Matt. 22:1-10). The covenant curses spoken of in Leviticus (26) and Deuteronomy (28-32) were about to come on the unfaithful Jewish nation as a result of their ultimate breaking of the covenant when they had Jesus killed (cf. Matt. 21:33-45). The four references in Revelation to sevenfold judgments (the seven seals, trumpets, thunders, and bowls) are based on the four sevenfold judgments that were to be Israel’s punishment for breaking the covenant (Lev. 26:18, 21, 24, 27-28). These covenant punishments culminate in the beast’s destruction of the harlot in Revelation 17-19. As God had said, the children of Israel would “rise and play the harlot” in the last days (of the old covenant) and be destroyed (Deut. 31:16-17, 29).

4. The Greek word gē—commonly translated as “earth” in Revelation—is often better translated as “land”: The symbol of the land usually refers to the land of Israel, although it also carries the wider meaning of the domain of God’s covenant people (cf. Rev. 5:10). The covenant curses in Revelation would focus on Israel—the unfaithful dwellers on the land. The great tribulation that was about to happen would come upon the whole world (the Roman Empire would almost collapse in AD 69), but it would be focused on those who dwelt on the land (Rev. 3:10; cf. Dan. 11:40-12:7; Matt. 24:15-21). With the AD 70 full establishment of the kingdom of God (Rev. 11:15-18) the whole world would become the land—the domain of God’s new covenant people (Rev. 21:1-2; see Isa. 65:1-19 where the new heaven and new earth speaks of the full establishment of God’s new covenant people at the AD 70 destruction of Israel, cf. Rom. 10:20-21).

5. The book of Revelation is an unveiling of the spiritual realm: Revelation is making the invisible realm of the spirit visible by way of symbols (Rev. 1:1). Although the images in Revelation are symbolic, they often contain physical referents to help one identify the historical events they are associated with (e.g., the merchandise of Babylon is the merchandise of the Temple, Rev. 18:12-13). The eight kings of Revelation 17:9-11 are ultimately spiritual rulers (cf. the kings and princes of Greece and Persia in Dan. 10:13, 20-21). The fact that the eighth of these kings comes out of the abyss confirms this (Rev. 11:7; 17:8). What was destroyed in the lake of fire at AD 70 (Rev. 19:20) was not a man, nor the Roman Empire, but the demonic beast from the abyss that worked through Titus in his destruction of the Jewish nation (cf. Dan. 9:26).

6. Symbolism is the primary means of communication of Revelation: If one analyzes the way Jesus is revealed in Revelation, it is always by way of symbols. Jesus does not have white hair, nor seven literal stars in his hand, nor a sword coming out of his mouth (Rev. 1:12-16). No one will ever see him as a lamb with seven eyes and horns (Rev. 5:6). No one will see him as a male child on the throne of God (Rev. 12:5). No one will see him on a flying white horse (Rev. 19:11-21). One should expect the images in Revelation to be symbolic. The less absurd images in Revelation (e.g., the two witnesses) are just as symbolic as the more absurd images (e.g., the beast with seven heads and ten horns). This is in contrast to the so-called literal interpretive approach to Revelation. The “literal” approach relies on absurdity as the main criterion for what is literal and what is symbolic. This literal approach is inadequate. Although the mode of communication of Revelation is by way of symbols, the spiritual events and truths that the symbols represent are profoundly real.

7. To find the meaning of the symbols used in Revelation one has to examine Scripture (especially the OT)—allow Scripture to interpret Scripture. Below are examples of this that relate to the interpretation of harlot Babylon:

a. Examine how a given symbol is used in the book of Revelation: Some symbols are defined in the passage in which they occur; other symbols are defined in other places in the book. In Revelation 17:1 we are told that the harlot “sits on many waters.” This is explained in verse 15 where we are told that the waters are symbolic of “peoples, multitudes, nations and tongues.” For Jews, Jerusalem and the Temple were the spiritual center of the world. Jews from every nation of the world congregated there (cf. Acts 2:5).
Some symbols are not defined in their immediate context but in other places in Revelation. In Revelation 17:18 and 18:21 we are told that harlot Babylon is “the great city.” We have already been told in Revelation 11:8 that “the great city” is where Jesus was crucified. One has to pay close attention to connections such as this. Many interpreters discount this connection, acknowledging that the great city in 11:8 is Jerusalem but saying the great city in chapters 17-18 refers to something else.

b. Examine how a given symbol is used in the NT: In Revelation 18:24 harlot Babylon is said to be guilty of the blood of the “prophets and saints.” In Matthew 23:35 Jesus said all the righteous blood shed on the earth would be required of the generation that rejected him. It was Jerusalem and her leadership that was responsible for the death of the prophets and saints (Matt. 23:34-37).
The subject of Revelation (two women/cities that are two wives) is shown in Galatians 4:21-31. There we are told that “these things are symbolic” of the two covenants and those who are part of them. The Jerusalem above in Galatians equates with the New Jerusalem in Revelation (which comes out of heaven, Rev. 21:2). Similarly, physical Jerusalem in Galatians equates with the “great city” of Babylon in Revelation (Rev. 18:21)—the city where Jesus was crucified (Rev. 11:8).

c. Examine how a given symbol is used in the OT: This is especially important. The meaning of many of Revelation’s symbols is found in the OT. Probably the biggest reason that Christians have difficulty in understanding Revelation is because we do not know our OT as we should. For example, the image of the harlot (Rev. 17:1) is not found in the NT outside of Revelation (although the concept of spiritual unfaithfulness is briefly touched on in a few places, e.g., James 4:4). While the NT does not use the image of the harlot, the OT often does; with two minor exceptions it always refers to God’s unfaithful old covenant people (e.g., Deut. 31:16-17; Ezek. 16, 23; the book of Hosea, etc.). Deciphering the meaning of OT passages is not always an easy task. Revelation usually makes allusions to OT passages, not direct references—often condensing and/or making reference to more than one passage at a time. I find the following from Beale on the relationship between Revelation and the OT to be helpful:
. . . the place of the OT in the formation of thought in the Apocalypse is that of both a servant and a guide: for John the Christ-event is the key to understanding the OT, and yet reflection on the OT context leads the way to further comprehension of this event and provides the redemptive-historical background against which the apocalyptic visions are better understood; the New Testament interprets the Old and the Old interprets the New.1
Being mindful of the subject of Revelation (the destruction of God’s unfaithful old covenant people and the full establishment of his new covenant people) provides a useful guide in evaluating how OT references are used in the book. While there is some universalization of the OT images used in Revelation, most retain an essential connection with their OT usage. As Beale notes, “John uses OT references with significant degrees of awareness of OT context.”2

d. Often one has to go through these steps (a-c) to get the full depth of meaning of a given symbol or group of symbols in Revelation.

Endnotes:
1. Beale, Book of Revelation, 1999, 97.
2. Ibid., 51.
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Re: GUIDELINES FOR THE INTERPRETATION OF REVELATION

Post by Duncan » Mon May 07, 2012 5:33 pm

Number 6 is an important point. Much of the disagreement between futurism and preterism comes down to how Revelation should be interpreted. This is where the discussion should begin--but rarely does.

6. Symbolism is the primary means of communication of Revelation: If one analyzes the way Jesus is revealed in Revelation, it is always by way of symbols. Jesus does not have white hair, nor seven literal stars in his hand, nor a sword coming out of his mouth (Rev. 1:12-16). No one will ever see him as a lamb with seven eyes and horns (Rev. 5:6). No one will see him as a male child on the throne of God (Rev. 12:5). No one will see him on a flying white horse (Rev. 19:11-21). One should expect the images in Revelation to be symbolic. The less absurd images in Revelation (e.g., the two witnesses) are just as symbolic as the more absurd images (e.g., the beast with seven heads and ten horns). This is in contrast to the so-called literal interpretive approach to Revelation. The “literal” approach relies on absurdity as the main criterion for what is literal and what is symbolic. This literal approach is inadequate. Although the mode of communication of Revelation is by way of symbols, the spiritual events and truths that the symbols represent are profoundly real.

If the images in Revelation are to be taken literally then they obviously have not happened yet. If they are symbolic then they may have happened (although not necessarily). Now symbolic interpretations that dilute Scriptures message are sometimes offered by liberals (like denying the miracles of Jesus). I am not advocationg those kind of interpretations. Consider the following. You decide which (the symbolic or literal) is the more powerful interpretation.

ONE LIKE THE SON OF MAN
The first place we see Jesus in the book of Revelation, he is referred to as “One like the Son of Man” (Rev. 1:13). This Son of Man is in the midst of seven lampstands, has seven stars in his right hand, white hair, and a sharp two-edged sword coming out of his mouth (Rev. 1:13-16). We are told in Revelation 1:20 that the seven lampstands are symbolic of the seven churches and that the seven stars in the Son of Man’s hand are symbolic of the seven angels of these churches. We are not told the meaning of the sword coming out of the Son of Man’s mouth, but in other parts of the New Testament a sword (the sword of the Spirit) is symbolic of the Word of God (Eph. 6:17; Heb. 4:12). Revelation 19 confirms that this is the correct meaning, as we see Jesus (referred to in the passage as the Word of God) warring with the sword that comes out of his mouth (Rev. 19:13-16).

Just as the sword coming out of Jesus’ mouth is not referring to a literal sword, neither is the white hair referring to Jesus’ literal hair color. To find the meaning of the white hair one has to go back to Daniel 7. In that chapter the Son of Man is seen coming to the Ancient of Days (Dan. 7:9-14). The Ancient of Days (God the Father) is seen as having white hair (Dan. 7:9). White hair (something that comes with advanced age) is being used in Daniel 7 as a symbol of the eternality of the Ancient of Days.23 Thus, the Son of Man having white hair is symbolic of the eternality of Jesus (cf. Isa. 9:6).

The literal interpretation of Revelation 1:10-20 is that Jesus has white hair and a sword for a tongue with literal stars and keys in his hand. The symbolic interpretation is that Jesus is the eternal Word of God who holds his church, and the very power (the keys) of life and death, in the palm of his hand. The combination of the image of the Son of Man with that of the Ancient of Days (the white hair) is especially powerful; it reveals Jesus to be a combination of both God and man. Notice that the symbolic interpretation here is much more powerful than the literal interpretation. Also notice that the meaning of the symbols associated with the Son of Man is sometimes found in the immediate context (e.g., Rev. 1:16, 20), sometimes in other places in Revelation (e.g., Rev. 1:11, 17; cf. 21:5-7), sometimes in the NT (e.g., Rev. 1:16; cf. Eph. 6:17), and sometimes in the OT (e.g., Rev. 1:14; cf. Dan. 7:9). Often, one has to incorporate both the OT and NT to get the full depth of meaning of a given symbol or group of symbols in Revelation.

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Re: GUIDELINES FOR THE INTERPRETATION OF REVELATION

Post by steve7150 » Tue May 08, 2012 7:27 am

I'm glad you see an end to evil and that the milleneum is not just 40 were years but one of the stumbling blocks for me is what evidence is there that there was a resurrection of the dead and a judgment of everyone and that those not found in the book of life were thrown in the lake of fire in 70AD? What of those living and who die after 70AD?
Your scripture interpretation that the tribulation and resurrection happen within a short time frame doesn't prove it had to be 70AD as far as i can tell. Even without Dan 9.27 , a tribulation can still happen at the end of this age.

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Re: GUIDELINES FOR THE INTERPRETATION OF REVELATION

Post by Duncan » Wed May 09, 2012 10:47 am

Hi Steve,

What evidence is there that Satan was thrown out of heaven at the cross? Only Scripture (John 12:31-32; cf. Rev. 12:1-9). I believe Scripture shows the resurrection and judgment beginning at the AD 70 shattering of the Jewish nation (Dan. 12:1-13). See also Rev. 11:15-18. The destruction of those who were morally destroying the land was “the time of the dead, that they should be judged” v. 18.

I believe that those who die after AD 70 who are in the Lamb’s Book of Life go directly to be with the Lord (with their resurrection bodies). Those who are not in the Book of Life are judged and go directly to the lake of fire. Just as the reigning of the saints in 20:4 is an ongoing process (cf. Rev. 22:3-5), with new believers entering into it post-AD 70, so the AD 70 judgment of unbelievers is ongoing from that point on. Believers who die after AD 70 are evaluated for rewards (Rev. 14:13); unbelievers who die after AD 70 face a final judgment and the lake of fire. I believe that Rev. 14:13 speaks of us today “Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on. Yes, says the spirit that they may rest from their labor and their works follow them.”

I see the references in the NT to the last days and end of the age as references to the end of the old covenant age. Here is something helpful from JS Russell on this.

ESCHATOLOGICAL TABLE, OR CONSPECTUS OF PASSAGES RELATING TO THE LAST TIMES.

The End of the Age
Matt. xiii. 39.---‘The harvest is the end of the age.’
Matt. xiii. 40.---‘So shall it be in the end of this age.’
Matt. xiii. 49.---‘So shall it be at the end of the age.’
Matt. xxiv. 3.---‘What shall be the sign of thy coming [p a r o u s i a ] and of the end of the age?’
Matt. xxviii. 20.---‘Lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the age.’
Heb. ix. 26.---‘But now once in the end of the ages’ [t v n a i w n w n ]

The End
Matt. x. 22.---‘He that endureth to the end shall be saved.’
Matt. xxiv. 6.---‘But the end is not yet’ (Mark xiii. 9; Luke xxi. 9).
Matt. xxiv. 13.---‘But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved’ (Mark xiii. 13).
Matt. xxiv. 14.---‘Then shall the end come.’
1 Cor. i. 8.---‘Who shall also confirm you unto the end.’
1 Cor. x. 11.---‘Upon whom the ends of the ages are come.’
1 Cor. xv. 24.---‘Then cometh the end.’
Heb. iii. 6.---‘Firm unto the end.’
Heb. iii. 14.---‘Stedfast unto the end.’
Heb. vi. 11.---‘Diligence unto the end.’
1 Pet. ii. 7.---‘The end of all things is at hand.’
Rev. ii. 26.---‘He that keepeth my works unto the end.’

The Last Times, Days, etc.
1 Tim. iv. 1.---‘In the latter times some shall apostatise’
2 Tim. iii. 1.---‘In the last days perilous times shall come’ .
Heb. i. 2.---‘In these last days [God] hath spoken to us’.
James v. 3.---‘Ye have heaped up treasure in the last days’ .
1 Peter i. 5.---‘Salvation, ready to be revealed in the last .
1 Peter i. 20.---‘Who was manifest in these last times for .
2 Peter iii. 3.---‘There shall come in the last days scoffers’ .
1 John ii. 18.---‘It is the last time’ [hour].
Jude, ver. 18.---‘That there should be mockers in the last time’

EQUIVALENT PHRASES REFERRING TO THE SAME PERIOD.

The Day.
Matt. xxv. 13.---‘Ye know neither the day nor the hour when the Son of man cometh.’
Luke xvii. 30.---‘The day when the Son of man is revealed.’
Rom. ii. 16.---‘In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men.’
1 Cor. iii. 13.---‘The day shall declare it.’
Heb. x. 25.---‘Ye see the day approaching.’

That Day.
Matt. vii. 22.---‘Many shall say unto me in that day, Lord, Lord.’
Matt. xxiv. 36.---‘But of that day and that hour knoweth no man.’
Luke x. 12.---‘It shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom.’
Luke xxi. 34.---‘And so that day come upon you unawares.’
1 Thess. v. 4.---‘That that day should overtake you as a thief.’
2 Thess. ii. 3.---‘That day shall not come except there come the apostasy.’
2 Tim. i. 12.---‘Which I have committed unto him against that day.’
2 Tim. i. 18.---‘That he may find mercy of the Lord in that day.’
2 Tim. iv. 8.---‘A crown . . . which the Lord . . . shall give me at that day.’

The Day of the Lord.
1 Cor. i. 8.---‘That ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.’
1 Cor. v. 5.---‘That the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.’
2 Cor. i. 14.---‘Ye are ours in the day of the Lord Jesus.’
Phil. ii. 16.---‘That I may rejoice in the day of Christ.’
1 Thess. v. 2.---‘The day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.’
The Day of God.
2 Peter iii. 12.---‘Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God.’
The Great Day.
Acts ii. 20.---‘That great and notable day of the Lord.’
Jude, ver. 6.---‘The judgment of the great day.’
Rev. vi. 17.---‘The great day of his wrath is come.’
Rev. xvi. 14.---‘The battle of the great day.’

The Day of Wrath.
Rom. ii. 5.---‘Treasurest up wrath against the day of wrath.’
Rev. vi. 17.---‘The great day of his wrath is come.’

The Day of Judgment.
Matt. x. 15.---‘It shall be more tolerable in the day of judgment’ (Mark vi. 11).
Matt. xi. 22.---‘It shall be more tolerable . . . in the day of judgment.’
Matt. xi. 24.---‘It shall be more tolerable . . . in the day of judgment.’
Matt. xii. 36.---‘They shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.’
2 Peter ii. 9.---‘To reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment.’
2 Peter iii. 7.---‘The day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.’
1 John iv. 17.---‘That we may have boldness in the day of judgment.’

The Day of Redemption.
Ephes. iv. 30.---‘Sealed unto the day of redemption.’
The Last Day.
John vi. 39.---‘That I should raise it up at the last day.’
John vi. 40.---‘I will raise him up at the last day.’
John vi. 44.---‘And I will raise him up at the last day.’
John vi. 54.---‘And I will raise him up at the last day.’
John xi. 24.---‘He shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.’

From the comparison of these passages it will appear,---
1. That they all refer to one and the same period---a certain definite and specific time.
2. That they all either assume or affirm that the period in question is not far distant.
3. The limit beyond which it is not permissible to go in determining the period called ‘the last times’ is indicated in the New Testament scriptures, viz. the lifetime of the generation which rejected Christ.
4. This brings us to the period of the destruction of Jerusalem, as marking ‘the close of the age,’ ‘the day of the Lord,’ ‘the end.’ That is to say, the coming of the Lord, or the Parousia.

http://www.audiowebman.org/bbc/books/pa ... ia_02g.htm

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Re: GUIDELINES FOR THE INTERPRETATION OF REVELATION

Post by steve7150 » Wed May 09, 2012 7:23 pm

What evidence is there that Satan was thrown out of heaven at the cross? Only Scripture (John 12:31-32; cf. Rev. 12:1-9). I believe Scripture shows the resurrection and judgment beginning at the AD 70 shattering of the Jewish nation (Dan. 12:1-13). See also Rev. 11:15-18. The destruction of those who were morally destroying the land was “the time of the dead, that they should be judged”





Yes but others look at the same scriptures and see the end of the age in the future. I think we have an account by Josephus about the fall of Jerusalem with no mention of a resurrection of the dead or Jesus coming in judgment.
Also in Rev 18.1 we see "After this i saw another angel with great authority coming down from heaven and the earth was illuminated by his splendor."

So if the "land" was illuminated by an angel's splendor wouldn't Josephus or someone have recorded something, not to mention a resurrection of the dead?
Wouldn't the Romans have recorded something, particularly if it were the Jews being judged? After all it would make it look like the Romans were on the right side of God. Even though they were pagans they would have not missed the opportunity to gloat.

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Re: GUIDELINES FOR THE INTERPRETATION OF REVELATION

Post by Duncan » Wed May 09, 2012 10:02 pm

Steve,

Revelation also shows a lamb on the throne, a 7 headed beast, a harlot riding on it, a two horned beast from the land, locust coming out of the abyss, Satan being thrown into the abyss, etc. The book is unveiling the spiritual realm by way of symbols. The kingdom of God would not come with observation.

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Re: GUIDELINES FOR THE INTERPRETATION OF REVELATION

Post by steve7150 » Thu May 10, 2012 7:27 am

Revelation also shows a lamb on the throne, a 7 headed beast, a harlot riding on it, a two horned beast from the land, locust coming out of the abyss, Satan being thrown into the abyss, etc. The book is unveiling the spiritual realm by way of symbols. The kingdom of God would not come with observation.










Yes but Jesus was a part of the kingdom of God and he was observable including his resurrected body, his miracles were observable, his ascension was, his resurrection of Lazarus was and other aspects of the kingdom of God were observable. So somethings were observable and other symbolic things are not. Therefore the question might be is a resurrection of the dead observable, is an angel illuminating the land or earth observable, is Jesus coming in judgment observable?

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Re: GUIDELINES FOR THE INTERPRETATION OF REVELATION

Post by Duncan » Thu May 10, 2012 5:23 pm

Here is something from the book on this Steve.

Revelation 19:11-14
11. Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war.
12. His eyes were like a flame of fire and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself.
13. He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
14. And the armies in heaven clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses.


“I SAW HEAVEN OPENED”
In Revelation 19:11 John sees “heaven opened” as the Second Advent is unveiled. The image of the opening of heaven is used in Scripture to indicate a special view into the invisible realm of the spirit. Ezekiel introduces his visions of God in the following manner: “Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, on the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the River Chebar, that the heavens were opened and I saw visions of God” (Ezek. 1:1; cf. Rev. 4:1-2).
Right before Stephen was killed, he saw heaven opened and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.
But he [Stephen], being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, and said, “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!”
Acts 7:55-56
Again, this was a private revelation into the spiritual realm, not a public display (cf. John 1:51). Those who were about to stone Stephen did not see what he saw; if they had they would not have killed him. John is likewise being shown a special revelation of the heavenly realm in Revelation 19:11-21. The vision of the battle here is similar to when Elisha’s servant had his eyes opened and was allowed to see a battle that was about to take place in the heavenlies:
Therefore he [the king of Syria, v. 11] sent horses and chariots and a great army there, and they came by night and surrounded the city. And when the servant of the man of God arose early and went out, there was an army, surrounding the city with horses and chariots. And his servant said to him, “Alas, my master! What shall we do?” So he answered, “Do not fear, for those who are with us are more than those who are with them.” And Elisha prayed, and said, “Lord, I pray, open his eyes that he may see.” Then the Lord opened the eyes of the young man, and he saw. And behold the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha.
2 Kings 6:14-17
Revelation 19:11-21 is not showing a literal physical battle that people ever saw or will see. Jesus said that the coming of the kingdom of God would not be an observable event (Luke 17:20-21, 37). As with the rest of Revelation, chapter 19 is an unveiling of the invisible realm of the spirit. The warfare John describes here is spiritual in nature (cf. Eph. 6:10-18). This is not showing Jesus fighting against Titus and the Romans; it is showing Jesus fighting against the demonic ruler from the abyss (Rev. 11:7; 17:8) that was working through Titus and the Romans. As I have mentioned earlier, none of the images of Jesus in Revelation are literal physical descriptions. Revelation 19’s depiction of him coming on a flying white horse with a sword for a tongue is certainly not an exception! Having said that, there were observable signs in the heavens at this time pointing to a major upheaval in the spiritual realm. Consider the following from Josephus:
[The Jews] disregarded and disbelieved the unmistakable portents that foreshadowed the coming desolation, and, as though thunderstuck (sic), blind, senseless, paid no heed to the clear warnings of God. It was like this when a star that looked like a sword stood over the city and a comet that continued for a whole year . . . [another] supernatural apparition was seen, too amazing to be believed. What I am now to relate would, I imagine, have been dismissed as imaginary, had this not been vouched for by eyewitnesses, then followed by subsequent disaster that deserved to be thus signalized. For before sunset chariots were seen in the air over the whole country, and armed battalions speeding through clouds and encircling the cities.8
Even Josephus was amazed by these accounts of heavenly armies in the clouds. As Jesus had prophesied (Luke 21:25-32), there were signs in the heavens that pointed to the upheaval in the spiritual realm at the AD 70 full establishment of God’s kingdom.

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Re: GUIDELINES FOR THE INTERPRETATION OF REVELATION

Post by DanielGracely » Sat May 19, 2012 7:39 am

Duncan,

I don’t see how a 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem fits the ‘bookends’ of Daniel’s 70 weeks (or 490 years). I suppose you don’t take Daniel’s prophecy any more literally than the many clauses, sentences, and passages in Revelation that appear historical.

My own view is that if a descriptive clause or sentence, etc., appears historical, every effort should be made to prove its literalness before concluding it is non-literal. Of course, some allowance must be made for idioms of speech and metaphors, mixed in with with the descriptively historical (such as the idiom of “weeks” in Daniel, which even in extra-biblical writing(s) contemporary with Daniel has been used to mean seven-year periods). This is merely in keeping with the futurist position. In other words, the debate between futurists and preterists is NOT that one side (dispensationalism) believes all metaphors should be understood literally, but rather that the basic framework of Revelation is historical, with a frequent degree of metaphor. In fact, I find it a huge leap when you say:
“The less absurd images in Revelation (e.g., the two witnesses) are just as symbolic as the more absurd images…”
Indeed, I don’t know any futurist that actually practices “the so-called literal approach” the way to describe it. For you claim that your view understands the sword coming out of Jesus’ mouth and the lamb with seven eyes and horns to be non-literal, and also claim that your view is in contrast to the “so-called literal approach”. But who are the futurists you’re referring to? For futurists, too, understand such metaphoric descriptions as symbolic. I think you’ve set up a straw man here. For when futurists complain that preterists are not literalists, the argument is obviously a relative, not absolute, one. That is, futurists are not complaining that preterists ought to believe Jesus really is a lamb with seven eyes and horns. They’re simply arguing that the frequency of metaphor is no excuse to regard those parts that appear historical, to likely be anything other than historical.

But in my opinion nowhere is the failure of preterists more apparent than in the historical ignorance with which they approach Daniel 9:25-26a, in which Gabriel tells Daniel that an Anointed Prince [the Messiah] would be cut off after 69 weeks from the time the word goes forth to build and restore Jerusalem. The pathetic result is the spectacle of preterists embracing wrong timelines, and from there to complaining so much about the futurist idea of a 2,000 year gap between the 69th and 70th weeks, while nevertheless squirming themselves while trying to justify the idea that a 40-year gap between the crucifixion and the destruction of Jerusalem is somehow a fulfillment of a period or 3.5 or 7 years! But, then, I suppose any theological scheme can be presented plausible under the guise that something may first and primarily be fulfilled in principle.

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Re: GUIDELINES FOR THE INTERPRETATION OF REVELATION

Post by Duncan » Sat May 19, 2012 2:23 pm

Say more Daniel. What do you think is literal in Revelation? How do you determine what is literal and what is not? The question of how to interpret Revelation is where any discussion between the different schools of interpretation should begin (Unfortunately it rarely does). As Grant Osborne notes,“Perhaps more than any other book, our understanding of the meaning of Revelation depends on the hermeneutical perspective we bring to bear on it.”

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