What does Jesus mean?
Homer, you wrote:
Earlier, I wrote:
Do you agree with the New Testament Apostle who wrote that those who claim to know God but do not keep His commandments are liars and the truth is not in them?
Do you have a definition of "sin" that is different than the one given by the Apostle John? Sin is transgression of the Law. Do you agree with that?
Maybe I don't understand your position, but may I ask if you do?
God's commandment, for example is "Remember to keep the seventh day holy..." but you seem to make God's commandment of none effect, by suggesting that this command has been outgrown.
If God's commandments from "scripture" that is inspired by Him, are not to be taught, as doctrine, then what of the "All scripture" passage? (This passage, by the way, is speaking of the "OLD Testament scriptures!) You seem to say that only the "New" testament "scripture" should be taught, denying the inspiration of the Law and the Prophets, which seems in contradiction to Jesus' clear statement to not think that way.
There is a way that seems right to a man, but the end thereof is death.
Is that scripture still true?
I am confident that you think your 'way' is right. I am here to tell you that your 'way' is not God's way.
You were inspired to obey your father's desire for you to put away the comic books, by your love for money. It is kindof sad, that your father thought he needed to entice your obedience that way, rather than simply asking you to do his will out of love and respect for him. This must have hurt him deeply, though I'm sure that he did not express this hurt to you. Certainly he loved you and was motivated to give you instruction to put the comic books away for your own good. He was wiser and older than you. It would have been perfect obedience and would have shown your true love for him, if you would have obeyed him because he asked and you wanted to please him. In fact, if your pleasure was to see him pleased, more than your own desire to get the five bucks, your father could have been rightly proud of you. As it was, your obedience, though commendable, was only for money....his will was not yet written in your heart.
Thank you for the story. It was well done! However, I'm not sure that i did not understand your position before, so I'm not sure I understand your insistence to help me understand it better. I'm sure that you think you're right. I do not question your sincerity. Your assumption that you've taken the correct stance regarding the commandments of God, and have outgrown them, so-to-speak, and are no longer in need of them to guide your way is what I am trying to investigate. Maybe you could answer some of my questions asked previously. I asked if you also disagreed with God's commandments? Presumably, from your comic book story, you think God's holy, righteous and perfect commandments, that live forever, according to King David, are childish, and should be made of none effect, no longer taught to sincere seekers of God.Perhaps I can tell you a story that will help you understand my position on the Law of Moses.
Earlier, I wrote:
Do you agree with the New Testament Apostle who wrote that all scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for doctrine for reproof and correction and for training in righteousness?So, hopefully, we can move on toward the conclusion that keeping God's Law is a part of having one's heart right. Those who keep God's commandments love Him, and those who do not keep His commandments, do not love Him.
Are you 'comfortable' with that conclusion?
Do you agree with the New Testament Apostle who wrote that those who claim to know God but do not keep His commandments are liars and the truth is not in them?
Do you have a definition of "sin" that is different than the one given by the Apostle John? Sin is transgression of the Law. Do you agree with that?
Maybe I don't understand your position, but may I ask if you do?
God's commandment, for example is "Remember to keep the seventh day holy..." but you seem to make God's commandment of none effect, by suggesting that this command has been outgrown.
If God's commandments from "scripture" that is inspired by Him, are not to be taught, as doctrine, then what of the "All scripture" passage? (This passage, by the way, is speaking of the "OLD Testament scriptures!) You seem to say that only the "New" testament "scripture" should be taught, denying the inspiration of the Law and the Prophets, which seems in contradiction to Jesus' clear statement to not think that way.
There is a way that seems right to a man, but the end thereof is death.
Is that scripture still true?
I am confident that you think your 'way' is right. I am here to tell you that your 'way' is not God's way.
You were inspired to obey your father's desire for you to put away the comic books, by your love for money. It is kindof sad, that your father thought he needed to entice your obedience that way, rather than simply asking you to do his will out of love and respect for him. This must have hurt him deeply, though I'm sure that he did not express this hurt to you. Certainly he loved you and was motivated to give you instruction to put the comic books away for your own good. He was wiser and older than you. It would have been perfect obedience and would have shown your true love for him, if you would have obeyed him because he asked and you wanted to please him. In fact, if your pleasure was to see him pleased, more than your own desire to get the five bucks, your father could have been rightly proud of you. As it was, your obedience, though commendable, was only for money....his will was not yet written in your heart.
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Kids dont think that way, dmatic.
if my dad offered me $5 bucks to wash his car, i didn't barter him down to nothing. i took the money and probably bought (i bet you thought i would say comic books!)-- no i probably bought a monster magazine. that's what i liked.
TK
if my dad offered me $5 bucks to wash his car, i didn't barter him down to nothing. i took the money and probably bought (i bet you thought i would say comic books!)-- no i probably bought a monster magazine. that's what i liked.
TK
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"Were not our hearts burning within us? (Lk 24:32)
dmatic,
You wrote:
Please clarify for me whether you believe Christians are obliged to obey everything God ever commanded, from the time of Adam to this day, or are we to obey "every jot and tittle" of the Law of Moses (an impossibility), or the Law of Moses plus the teacings of the New Covenant.
You asked:
1 John 3:4 (Young's Literal Translation)
4. Every one who is doing the sin, the lawlessness also he doth do, and the sin is the lawlessness,
The Apostle is informing us what sin is. "Sin" and "lawlessness" are interchangeable terms. The Greek word here translated lawlessness is anomia which refers to one living contrary to law, without informing us which law. If John had said "the" law, you would have a better argument, but the definite article is not in the Greek text. You can verify this in a Greek interlinear New Testament. And if you read a bit more in 1 John, I believe you will find the law John speaks of:
1 John 3:22-23 (New King James Version)
22. And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.
And you wrote:
Deuteronomy 5:16 (New King James Version)
16. ‘ Honor your father and your mother, as the LORD your God has commanded you, that your days may be long, and that it may be well with you in the land which the LORD your God is giving you.
I hope you will not argue that God did not promise them any rewards for their obedience.
It is my belief that the Law of Moses was given to Israel and them only.
Deuteronomy 5:1-22 (New King James Version)
1. And Moses called all Israel, and said to them: “Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your hearing today, that you may learn them and be careful to observe them. 2. The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3. The LORD did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive. 4 The LORD talked with you face to face on the mountain from the midst of the fire. 5. I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to declare to you the word of the LORD; for you were afraid because of the fire, and you did not go up the mountain. He said:
6. ‘I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
7. ‘You shall have no other gods before Me.
8. ‘You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 9. you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 10. but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
11. ‘You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
12. ‘ Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you. 13. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14. but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your ox, nor your donkey, nor any of your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you. 15. And remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.
16. ‘ Honor your father and your mother, as the LORD your God has commanded you, that your days may be long, and that it may be well with you in the land which the LORD your God is giving you.
17. ‘You shall not murder.
18. ‘You shall not commit adultery.
19. ‘You shall not steal.
20. ‘You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
21. ‘You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife; and you shall not desire your neighbor’s house, his field, his male servant, his female servant, his ox, his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor’s.’
22. “These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.
People lived lives pleasing to God prior to the Law, and they sinned prior to the Law, as the flood demonstrated. Many of the things in the Law were in effect before the Law of Moses was given. It was a sin when Cain murdered Abel but Cain was not under the Law of Moses.
Now this may astonish you. I do not believe gentiles were under the Law of Moses after it was given, any more than they were before. You read me correctly. I believe they could live a life of faith just as Abraham did, apart from the Law. You do not believe it? Consider this:
Jonah 3 (New American Standard Bible)
1. Now the word of the LORD came to Jonah the second time, saying, 2. "Arise, go to Nineveh the great city and proclaim to it the proclamation which I am going to tell you."
3. So Jonah arose and went to Nineveh according to the word of the LORD. Now Nineveh was an exceedingly great city, a three days' walk.
4. Then Jonah began to go through the city one day's walk; and he cried out and said, "Yet forty days and Nineveh will be overthrown."
5. Then the people of Nineveh believed in God; and they called a fast and put on sackcloth from the greatest to the least of them.
6. When the word reached the king of Nineveh, he arose from his throne, laid aside his robe from him, covered himself with sackcloth and sat on the ashes.
7. He issued a proclamation and it said, "In Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles: Do not let man, beast, herd, or flock taste a thing. Do not let them eat or drink water.
8. "But both man and beast must be covered with sackcloth; and let men call on God earnestly that each may turn from his wicked way and from the violence which is in his hands.
9. "Who knows, God may turn and relent and withdraw His burning anger so that we will not perish."
10. When God saw their deeds, that they turned from their wicked way, then God relented concerning the calamity which He had declared He would bring upon them. And He did not do it.
So Nineveh believed in God, repented, ceased their wicked ways, and God responded. And not a hint of the Law of Moses even being mentioned to them! If you think it was, the burden is on you to prove it.
You wrote:
Here you misrepresent my position, or demonstate you do not understand it. If you said "some commandments of God given to Israel", then you would be correct.Your assumption that you've taken the correct stance regarding the commandments of God, and have outgrown them, so-to-speak, and are no longer in need of them to guide your way is what I am trying to investigate.
Please clarify for me whether you believe Christians are obliged to obey everything God ever commanded, from the time of Adam to this day, or are we to obey "every jot and tittle" of the Law of Moses (an impossibility), or the Law of Moses plus the teacings of the New Covenant.
You asked:
You should have checked the Greek when you quoted 1 John 3:4. Here is a literal translation:Do you agree with the New Testament Apostle who wrote that those who claim to know God but do not keep His commandments are liars and the truth is not in them?
Do you have a definition of "sin" that is different than the one given by the Apostle John? Sin is transgression of the Law. Do you agree with that?
Maybe I don't understand your position, but may I ask if you do?
1 John 3:4 (Young's Literal Translation)
4. Every one who is doing the sin, the lawlessness also he doth do, and the sin is the lawlessness,
The Apostle is informing us what sin is. "Sin" and "lawlessness" are interchangeable terms. The Greek word here translated lawlessness is anomia which refers to one living contrary to law, without informing us which law. If John had said "the" law, you would have a better argument, but the definite article is not in the Greek text. You can verify this in a Greek interlinear New Testament. And if you read a bit more in 1 John, I believe you will find the law John speaks of:
1 John 3:22-23 (New King James Version)
22. And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.
And you wrote:
Yes, sadly, I was a boy at the time and needed to be enticed, as were the children of Israel when God gave them the law and enticed them!You were inspired to obey your father's desire for you to put away the comic books, by your love for money. It is kind of sad, that your father thought he needed to entice your obedience that way, rather than simply asking you to do his will out of love and respect for him. This must have hurt him deeply, though I'm sure that he did not express this hurt to you.
Deuteronomy 5:16 (New King James Version)
16. ‘ Honor your father and your mother, as the LORD your God has commanded you, that your days may be long, and that it may be well with you in the land which the LORD your God is giving you.
I hope you will not argue that God did not promise them any rewards for their obedience.
It is my belief that the Law of Moses was given to Israel and them only.
Deuteronomy 5:1-22 (New King James Version)
1. And Moses called all Israel, and said to them: “Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your hearing today, that you may learn them and be careful to observe them. 2. The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3. The LORD did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive. 4 The LORD talked with you face to face on the mountain from the midst of the fire. 5. I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to declare to you the word of the LORD; for you were afraid because of the fire, and you did not go up the mountain. He said:
6. ‘I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
7. ‘You shall have no other gods before Me.
8. ‘You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 9. you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 10. but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
11. ‘You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
12. ‘ Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you. 13. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14. but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your ox, nor your donkey, nor any of your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you. 15. And remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.
16. ‘ Honor your father and your mother, as the LORD your God has commanded you, that your days may be long, and that it may be well with you in the land which the LORD your God is giving you.
17. ‘You shall not murder.
18. ‘You shall not commit adultery.
19. ‘You shall not steal.
20. ‘You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
21. ‘You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife; and you shall not desire your neighbor’s house, his field, his male servant, his female servant, his ox, his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor’s.’
22. “These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.
People lived lives pleasing to God prior to the Law, and they sinned prior to the Law, as the flood demonstrated. Many of the things in the Law were in effect before the Law of Moses was given. It was a sin when Cain murdered Abel but Cain was not under the Law of Moses.
Now this may astonish you. I do not believe gentiles were under the Law of Moses after it was given, any more than they were before. You read me correctly. I believe they could live a life of faith just as Abraham did, apart from the Law. You do not believe it? Consider this:
Jonah 3 (New American Standard Bible)
1. Now the word of the LORD came to Jonah the second time, saying, 2. "Arise, go to Nineveh the great city and proclaim to it the proclamation which I am going to tell you."
3. So Jonah arose and went to Nineveh according to the word of the LORD. Now Nineveh was an exceedingly great city, a three days' walk.
4. Then Jonah began to go through the city one day's walk; and he cried out and said, "Yet forty days and Nineveh will be overthrown."
5. Then the people of Nineveh believed in God; and they called a fast and put on sackcloth from the greatest to the least of them.
6. When the word reached the king of Nineveh, he arose from his throne, laid aside his robe from him, covered himself with sackcloth and sat on the ashes.
7. He issued a proclamation and it said, "In Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles: Do not let man, beast, herd, or flock taste a thing. Do not let them eat or drink water.
8. "But both man and beast must be covered with sackcloth; and let men call on God earnestly that each may turn from his wicked way and from the violence which is in his hands.
9. "Who knows, God may turn and relent and withdraw His burning anger so that we will not perish."
10. When God saw their deeds, that they turned from their wicked way, then God relented concerning the calamity which He had declared He would bring upon them. And He did not do it.
So Nineveh believed in God, repented, ceased their wicked ways, and God responded. And not a hint of the Law of Moses even being mentioned to them! If you think it was, the burden is on you to prove it.
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A Berean
Hello dmatic,
What do you suppose Paul meant when he said:
Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
and
Gal 5:16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
Interestingly he didn't suggest keeping the law as a means to keep yourself from fulfilling the lust of the flesh. Rather he said love fulfills the law.
and
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
If I walk in the Spirit and produce fruit I am not in violation of any law. This fruit can be summarized as "love". This love comes by walking in the Spirit, not by obedience to the written code of law. Love fulfills the law, not the other way around. That's why Paul also said:
Rom 7:6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.
Serving God by the law did not produce the fruit that comes from the Spirit.
What do you suppose Paul meant when he said:
Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
and
Gal 5:16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
Interestingly he didn't suggest keeping the law as a means to keep yourself from fulfilling the lust of the flesh. Rather he said love fulfills the law.
and
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
If I walk in the Spirit and produce fruit I am not in violation of any law. This fruit can be summarized as "love". This love comes by walking in the Spirit, not by obedience to the written code of law. Love fulfills the law, not the other way around. That's why Paul also said:
Rom 7:6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.
Serving God by the law did not produce the fruit that comes from the Spirit.
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By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another. (John 13:35)
Sean, I may have time to try to answer just one of your questions, where you asked:
One can not say that he loves his neighbor, or even God, if he is in violation of any of the commandments. For example: A man who steals from his neighbor is violating the commandment of God and cannot say that he loves his neighbor, because love keeps God's commandment.
A "husband" who cheats on his wife, can not rightly say that he loves her, because he violates the commandment of God against committing adultery.
Now, of course, it is love for God and for our neighbor that "inspires" us to keep God's commandments. Hopefully, you'll agree with that?
Peace, dmatic
Sean, love IS keeping the commandments of God! Love, by definition keeps God's commandments! Do you see this?Hello dmatic,
What do you suppose Paul meant when he said:
Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
and
Gal 5:16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
Interestingly he didn't suggest keeping the law as a means to keep yourself from fulfilling the lust of the flesh. Rather he said love fulfills the law.
One can not say that he loves his neighbor, or even God, if he is in violation of any of the commandments. For example: A man who steals from his neighbor is violating the commandment of God and cannot say that he loves his neighbor, because love keeps God's commandment.
A "husband" who cheats on his wife, can not rightly say that he loves her, because he violates the commandment of God against committing adultery.
Now, of course, it is love for God and for our neighbor that "inspires" us to keep God's commandments. Hopefully, you'll agree with that?
Peace, dmatic
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Here you misrepresent my position, or demonstate you do not understand it. If you said "some commandments of God given to Israel", then you would be correct.Homer wrote:dmatic,
You wrote:Your assumption that you've taken the correct stance regarding the commandments of God, and have outgrown them, so-to-speak, and are no longer in need of them to guide your way is what I am trying to investigate.
Please clarify for me whether you believe Christians are obliged to obey everything God ever commanded, from the time of Adam to this day, or are we to obey "every jot and tittle" of the Law of Moses (an impossibility), or the Law of Moses plus the teacings of the New Covenant.
Homer, I am sorry if you think I have misrepresented your position and have demonstrated that I do not understand it. I have confessed as much, because it is rather confusing to me. It seems that some of you that seem to hold to a similar position as I have perceived that you hold to, seem to pick and choose which commandments they want to agree with, that God has given to man, and they do instruct their people to observe them, but other commandments that they disagree with, or cannot seem to make sense of, or rule that they have been annulled, they seem to disparage or suggest that they need not be kept, and so they teach thier people likewise.
For example, you assert that obedience to every jot and tittle of the Law "of Moses" (Though it really comes from God) is impossible. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying that because the temple has been removed and there is no longer a place to offer "sacrifices"? Or, are you saying that wearing blue cords from the four corners of one's garments is also impossible? May I ask if you understand what a jot or a tittle is? May I say, before you answer, that none of the jots or tittles are recorded in our Engl;ish Versions. Do you understand the purpose of the jots and tittles? I'm not asking this to insult you, but to inquire as to your level of understanding of God's Law. Do you understand the Spirit through which His Law has come? You once responded that there was hope for me, (rather condescendingly, but I took it as sincere nonetheless), because you thought you had seen me "spiritualize a commandment" or something.
Anyway, to try to clarify my position, I believe that we should live by EVERY WORD that proceeds from the mouth of God! Is that clear enough for you? I can try to make it more clear if you need me to. I do not think that we should add to, nor take away from God's Word, thus every word He has spoken to us, is to be heard.
Peace, dmatic
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No, you are reversing the order of things as Paul stated them. Following the Spirit (not the law) produces love as a natural fruit. Following the law does not produce "fruit of the Spirit". Following the law would rather produce "fruit of the Law". Paul said he thought the law was to produce life but actually it brought death. This is because the law was given to show the sinfulness of man, not lead him out of it. That's why Paul says we are to be lead by the Spirit (not lead by the law), and in doing so we are not "under law".dmatic wrote: Sean, love IS keeping the commandments of God! Love, by definition keeps God's commandments! Do you see this?
Gal 3:19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made.
Rom 5:20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more
Grace doesn't abound through more law, but through grace, which is by faith and not works of the law.
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
Rom 3:22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe.
Peace Bro!
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By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another. (John 13:35)
Dmatic,
How does one live by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God? Or how is it that Homer isn't living by it, I guess I should say?
I know,... what parts of Leviticus do you think I need to "live by"? Maybe that will narrow it down enough.
And, do you think that the New Testament authors had a higher revelation that might give clarity to the Old Testament? For instance, when the author of Hebrews says, "Now if perfection was through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the people received the Law), what further need was there for another priest to arise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be designated according to the order of Aaron? For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also." 7:11-12 what do you suppose he is saying?
Let me know.
Peace,
Sam
How does one live by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God? Or how is it that Homer isn't living by it, I guess I should say?
I know,... what parts of Leviticus do you think I need to "live by"? Maybe that will narrow it down enough.
And, do you think that the New Testament authors had a higher revelation that might give clarity to the Old Testament? For instance, when the author of Hebrews says, "Now if perfection was through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the people received the Law), what further need was there for another priest to arise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be designated according to the order of Aaron? For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also." 7:11-12 what do you suppose he is saying?
Let me know.
Peace,
Sam
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