John 5:18 (was Jesus equating himself with the Father?)
Posted: Mon May 03, 2021 9:55 pm
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Well, I guess it was buried within the other points - we've dealt with that passage so many times, it didn't strike me as new - but, again, it's quite a drift from the topic at hand and is worthy of a separate topic. Briefly, though, do you mean "equal" like Joseph and Pharoah (see Gen 44:18)? Equality is not the same thing as identity.dwight92070 wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 9:08 pmDwight - If you're referring to John 5:18, I have not made the point previously, concerning this verse, that I made here. Just because I use the same verse that I have used before, does not mean I am making the same point about it that I made previously. Did you even see this NEW point, or do you not care to even acknowledge it?
No, I think you're missing mine. Whether 2 or 22 or 26, I agree that it takes God to do all of them - but, even just one of them proves the point that this doesn't make them God any more than it makes Jesus God. God authorizes or empowers them, and it seems he did the same through Jesus. The fact that someone other than Jesus can do ANYTHING that only God can do or authorize negates the proof that Jesus is GOD because he does things only God can do or permit.dwight92070 wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 9:08 pmActually, ALL of the things you note (whether done by the Apostles or Jesus) can only be done by God or by His permission. Jesus did nothing that He wasn't granted to do by the Father and all was done not for his own glory but the glory of the Father. It was the Father that glorified Jesus after His life and death of obedience.
Dwight - Here too, you simply ignore my point. Twenty-two out of the 26 things could never be done by the apostles. It takes God to do those things.