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Jesus said His sheep hear His voice and He knows them, and they follow Him.

So if they stop following Him they are no longer His sheep. Makes sense. But I thought you were saying that if they stop following Him, they never were His sheep.

And He gives them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall anyone snatch them out of His hand.

Yet they can choose not to follow Him any longer.

Jesus has never lost a true sheep yet.

So how do you know if you, or anyone else, is a "true sheep" or just someone who mistakenly thinks they are a "true sheep"?

And what of the man I referred to who was a pastor, then fell away, then came back?

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Evangelion, Yes it does! If you ever enter by the door, Jesus?

The scripture you have quoted, Matthew refers to false prophets and teachers. those who profess Him with there mouth but there heart is far from Him.

No of us has ever kept all the commandments, that is why Jesus paid the price for our sins.
None is perfect and we all fall short of the glory of God.

You call yourself a Christian, What makes you one and How did you arive at that conclusion?

I would like to go back to the original reason why I addressed you. Why were you so quick to attack the brethren, when He simple quotet the truth from the word of God?
Yet you have not said a word about the athiest. You are trying to make a case and argue a point to try to show how intelectual and right you are.

Why is that?

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Evangelion, Yes it does! If you ever enter by the door, Jesus?

The scripture you have quoted, Matthew refers to false prophets and teachers. those who profess Him with there mouth but there heart is far from Him.

No of us has ever kept all the commandments, that is why Jesus paid the price for our sins.
None is perfect and we all fall short of the glory of God.

You call yourself a Christian, What makes you one and How did you arive at that conclusion?

I was born into a Christian family, I went through Sunday School, I studied the Bible myself, I believed what it said, and I found evidence outside the Bible to support its claims, I was baptised, and I've been a practicing Christian ever since.

I would like to go back to the original reason why I addressed you. Why were you so quick to attack the brethren, when He simple quotet the truth from the word of God?

I'm not attacking anyone.

Yet you have not said a word about the athiest.

What is there to say? He's made his choice, and he's happy with it. He's happy to discuss his choice with us, but we can't do that by sitting around and calling him a fool, can we?

What we need is a mutually respectful dialogue, on issues which we can agree to discuss for our mutual benefit.

You are trying to make a case and argue a point to try to show how intelectual and right you are.

Why is that?

I am not doing anything of the sort. Please stop reading things into my posts.

Moderators, could you please split this thread? We are seriously off-topic.

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Again, to keep from hijacking this thread I will make a new thread or answer you Evangelion and Mort_Coyle in a private message.

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Again, to keep from hijacking this thread I will make a new thread or answer you Evangelion and Mort_Coyle in a private message.

Cheers.

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And I wouldn't call us "brothers"; I suspect that our theology is mutually exclusive.

Why do you make this statement? In what ways do you suspect your theologies to be exclusive and separating from Frank's?

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I don't know how to split threads (I really don't know any technical stuff about the internet or even this web forum. John is the guy who knows that stuff), but I agree that it has gotten far off-topic. The debate between Evangelion and Frank has moved to the topic of Calvinism, about which there exists an entirely separate category at this forum. How 'bout we move that portion of the discussion to that category?

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Steve, I am not a Calvanist and I take a mutial stand. I believe in predestination,but I also believe we have to choose by faith and believ as free agents.

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And I wouldn't call us "brothers"; I suspect that our theology is mutually exclusive.

Why do you make this statement? In what ways do you suspect your theologies to be exclusive and separating from Frank's?

Have you ever clicked on the link in my profile...?

Let's just say that I don't "suspect" our theologies to be mutually exclusive; I know it.

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The debate between Evangelion and Frank has moved to the topic of Calvinism, about which there exists an entirely separate category at this forum. How 'bout we move that portion of the discussion to that category?

Yep, that works for me.