But i dont think thats the case. The problem is with premise 1.
The astrophysicists and physicists that i talk to at school seem to believe that the matter was in a different form called dark matter. I have seen more and more writing on this, as it becomes more prevalent in discoveries and theories, etc.
So the idea is that this particulary universe is finite, but came from pre-existing forms of some kind,s.a. alternate universe, etc.
In addition, the matter, is created and destroyed in a sense, that it was dark matter, and turned into atoms, etc. So the idea that matter doesnt arise by itself, would be flawed.
I was using "Universe" as meaning all that exists. Any "alternate universes", "previous universes" etc. (if they exist or existed) are all included in the ALL to which my word "Universe" applies.
The argument you gave above just puts the creation of the matter and energy back a step to the supposed "dark matter". Now apply my proof to the creation of "dark matter", and you still end up with supernatural creation, that is, creation from a source outside the natural Universe.
I have also heard cosmic evolutionists state that the laws of thermodynamics did not apply to the original creation of matter and energy. No explanations as to why the laws do not apply was given. In my opinon a cop out.
I thought the following is an interesting argument given by John Hicks author of a philosophy of religion book. I cannot locate the book, and so I will give a similar but not identical argument.
The argument shows that none of us actually believe that life occurred by chance. The argument uses the human eye as a specific example.
Suppose that beneath a cliff you found an arrangement of stones that appeared to be English letters spelling "This way to Thunder Bay". Beside the apparent letters was an arrow pointing in a specific direction.
Could the arrangement of stones have come about by chance forces? Is it possible that the rocks have simply tumbled from the cliff into this arrangement so that they appeared to us as English words and an arrow?
Many of us would agree that, unlikely as it is, it is POSSIBLE,
Now suppose that you actually believe that the rocks were not arranged by any intelligent agents such as people, but simply came together that way by chance. Would there then be any reason for you to believe that Thunder Bay was located in the direction that the arrow seemed to indicate? The answer, of course, is "no".
Now consider the human eyes. Were they put together by an intelligent agent, or did they come together by chance? If they came together by chance, then there is absolutely no reason to believe what they tell you.