Who do you say Jesus is?

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Who do you say Jesus is?

Post by darinhouston » Sun Jan 04, 2009 4:14 pm

kaufmannphillips wrote:
Suzana wrote:
kaufmannphillips wrote:(a) One could say that I converted to a Jewish faith.

(b) No, I do not believe that Jesus was/is "the promised Messiah," and I do not buy into that general concept. Royal messianism is not stipulated in the covenantal paradigm. There may or may not be a divinely-sanctioned king someday, but that is little concern of mine.
Excuse me for interrupting, but may I ask what then do you believe about Jesus? Who do you say that He was?

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Hi, Suzana,

This is a bit afield here. If you might repost this in the "Judaism" forum, then I'll engage the question there.

Thank you, Emmet

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Re: Who do you say Jesus is?

Post by kaufmannphillips » Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:38 pm

Hi, Karen,
Is there the possibility in the Jewish faith, that the God of the Jew, Moses and Abraham was the encoded "JHVH"? or Jehovah?
In Judaism, the one G-d does have the name marked by the Tetragrammaton.
That the Christian may be enjoying the possibility of JHVH having become a man-child (though Mary of the Holy ghost), and that Jesus was a Jew, how could this be offensive to the Jew?
I suppose part of the problem could be that Jesus is apparently a different person than the Father. Judaism does not conceive of multiple G-ds or of multiple persons within G-d.
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Post by RND » Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:53 pm

kaufmannphillips wrote:Judaism does not conceive of multiple G-ds or of multiple persons within G-d.
Sure it does. It just denies the existence as being self-evident.
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Post by RND » Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:28 pm

karenprtlnd wrote:
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kaufmannphillips wrote:Judaism does not conceive of multiple G-ds or of multiple persons within G-d.
Sure it does. It just denies the existence as being self-evident.
No.

One does not have to concieve of multiple Gods in order to understand the Jewish God JHVH.
You mean they never learned anything from the sanctuary?

Psa 77:13 Thy way, O God, [is] in the sanctuary: who [is so] great a God as [our] God?

elohiym - plural of ''elowahh' (433); gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:--angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.

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Post by RND » Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:48 pm

karenprtlnd wrote:No.
The Israelites never learned anything from the sanctuary?
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