Pat Robertson

Post by **_Allyn** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:27 pm

Paidion wrote:
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Pat Robertson:
"I have a relatively good track record," he said. "Sometimes I miss."

Doesn't that make him a false prophet by his own admission?
Nope!

He may be a false prophet, but the fact that he sometimes "misses" doesn't prove it.

The prophet Jonah "missed" when he prophesied that Ninevah would be destroyed in 40 days. Notwithstanding, Jonah was a true prophet of Yahweh. It just so happened that Yahweh changed his mind, based on the repentance of the Ninevites.

The prophet Micah also "missed" when he prophesied:

Micah 3:12 Therefore because of you Zion shall be plowed as a field; Jerusalem shall become a heap of ruins, and the mountain of the house a wooded height.

That prophecy also failed to come true because Yahweh changed His mind.
For evidence that this prophecy did not come true, and why Yahweh changed His mind, read Jeremiah 26:8-19.

prophecys must be based on truth. pat assumes that it is because the united states is doing wrong when it comes to land issues and the state of israel and pat believes israel is a favored nation of God. Pat is wrong in his bible understanding on that and so the mere fact he basis his so called word from the lord on how we treat israel tells us he is a false prophet.

Post by **_STEVE7150** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:23 am

but steve, some times a fellow christian deserves a good bashing, especially if they make public prophecies that dont come true. you cant give him a free pass on that type of thing.

on a side note, what purpose does his most recent "prophecy" serve? how is God glorified by it, and what does Pat hope to accomplish, other than scaring people who believe him and setting himself up for ridicule by those who dont?

TK, Sure if he makes prophecies that don't come true he does deserve to be held accountable on that or if you disagree with his views on a specific subject , that's fine.
As far as God judging this nation for our immorality , i've heard that many times from other christian leaders but in more conditional terms like "it would'nt surprise me if God judged this nation."
And what Pat is trying to accomplish is to try and make us think about our behavior and that we are accountable to God.

Post by **_roblaine** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:59 am

Steve7150 said:

And what Pat is trying to accomplish is to try and make us think about our behavior and that we are accountable to God.

I agree, but based on Pat's comments in the past, his eschatology and dispensationalism, I think he is concerned with how our country deals with Israel and the Jewish people, and that will be the reason for Judgment.

However, I may be wrong.

Robin

Post by **_Mort_Coyle** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 1:17 pm

Mr. Robertson is claiming to speak oracles directly from God to promote his political/eschatological agenda.

In my mind, that's blasphemy.

Post by **_STEVE7150** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 1:44 pm

Mr. Robertson is claiming to speak oracles directly from God to promote his political/eschatological agenda.

In my mind, that's blasphemy.

So i guess you believe he is making up the fact that "God told him."
How do you know that?
I'm not sure God told him anything but i would'nt claim to know for sure one way or the other. And it's possible that God did'nt tell him anything but he believes that God did. Is that blasphemy?

Post by **_Mort_Coyle** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:18 pm

If he believes God told him, but God in fact didn't, then he is still claiming, in no uncertain terms, to be relaying an oracle from God to the nation. Yet his track record and his own admissions testify that he is often wrong. By the standards that Old Testament prophets (whom he seems to identify with) were subject to, Mr. Robertson would be stoned. Regardless of whether his intentions were good or not.

I think we all have a tendency to hear what we want to hear. We all see (or hear) through a glass darkly. This should cause us to be very humble and tentative about making prophetic proclamations. It's one thing to say "I think maybe I heard God say thus and so, but I could be wrong" vs. "God gave me this message for the nation". Pat Robertson and his ilk play fast and loose with God's authority.

Whether he does so wittingly or unwittingly, Mr. Robertson claims to speak for God when, in fact, he often doesn't. That's blasphemy.

Post by **_STEVE7150** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:17 pm

Whether he does so wittingly or unwittingly, Mr. Robertson claims to speak for God when, in fact, he often doesn't. That's blasphemy.

The way the word is used in the bible is when there is deliberate intent. And Pat did in a clumsy way qualify his statement by saying "i have a good track record" meaning he is wrong sometimes.
I agree that he should be more humble with things like this.

Post by **_Mort_Coyle** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 4:11 pm

The ancient Jews were so concerned about unwittingly breaking the 3rd Commandment, that they wouldn't say or write YHWH. Nowadays, devout Jews say or write G-D instead of God. So great was and is their concern for misusing God's name, even unintentionally. But to use God's "name" in vain really has more to do with misusing His authority and character, since that's what His "name" refers to.

When people (like Pat Robertson) say that God killed and/or destroyed the homes of thousands of poor (mostly Christian) people in New Orleans because of the Israeli pullout from Gaza, that is a gross mis-characterization of who God is. It is blasphemy.

When Pat Robertson claims to speak directly from God, he is very intentional about it. He makes it clear that this is "what God told me". To the extent that he is mis-representing God or putting his own words and views into God's mouth, he is taking God's name (authority & character) in vain. It is blasphemy.

In the best scenario, people like Robertson would be ignored, but since many immature Christians listen to him (as I used to) and are shaped by his words, he should be publicly challenged as a false prophet and blasphemer.

BTW, that doesn't make him any less loved by God than the rest of us, just very misguided.

Post by **_STEVE7150** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:35 am

When people (like Pat Robertson) say that God killed and/or destroyed the homes of thousands of poor (mostly Christian) people in New Orleans because of the Israeli pullout from Gaza, that is a gross mis-characterization of who God is. It is blasphemy.

When Pat Robertson claims to speak directly from God, he is very intentional about it. He makes it clear that this is "what God told me". To the extent that he is mis-representing God or putting his own words and views into God's mouth, he is taking God's name (authority & character) in vain. It is blasphemy.

A lot of christians believe what God said in the OT is eternal re Israel "I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you." I realize you don't as well as the great majority on this forum but it is a not an
uncommon view. And speaking of humility it is like you said about looking through the glass darkly should be applicable to all of us.
God has judged nations for immorality so we know he has done that and most people here believe God judged Jerusalem in 70AD and destroyed it.

So we know God has destroyed nations but what you define as blasphemy is the reason that Pat thinks KATRINA MAY have happened because God has previously caused destruction in the OT.
So the reason Pat thinks what he thinks is because of a promise God made in the bible that him and many others believe is eternal.

Post by **_Allyn** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:54 am

This is why many don't agree with your view of Genesis 12

It is never quoted correctly. For some reason, Steve, it is thought to be saying in Gen 12:1,3
1 Now the LORD had said to Israel:
3 I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”

Here is what it really says:

1 Now the LORD had said to Abram:
3 I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”