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What the Church Can Learn

Post by _dulcimerpete » Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:57 am

I've been sober for a little over 15 years. This miracle is a testament to God's power and love for one of the lost sheep.

I was raised as a "cultural Christian" and my journey toward faith in Jesus (which started shortly after the drinking was interupted) resumed, not surprisingly, at that touch-point. But I had the feeling that this "church" I was experiencing was lacking something ... Praise God, I've been born again.

I believe I have a mission and a ministry.

My mission is to the "recovery community". The folks I get to know in the rooms of Alcoholics Anonymous, in hospitals, and institutions are, I believe, more open to the the gospel message than the majority of American church-goers. :wink: I'm there to carry the message of Jesus of Nazareth, to answer their questions, and to humbly offer myself as an example.

My ministry is to "the church". First of all, there are Brothers and Sisters in the body of Christ who have the same disease that I do, and I wish to be helpfull to them. Second, I believe that there are some things that the church can learn from AA. I came across the following article and wanted to post it here.

Peace,

Pete B

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Alcoholics Anonymous was founded in 1935 by two struggling alcoholics who needed a spiritual program to attain and sustain ongoing recovery. Out of the efforts of Bill W and Dr Bob, the program known as Alcoholics Anonymous was developed based on living a lifestyle of twelve steps. The principles of A.A.'s twelve steps were a direct outgrowth of the Oxford Group, based at Calvary Episcopal Church in New York NY. The Reverend Samuel M. Shoemaker, Rector of Calvary Church and spiritual leader of the Oxford Group, provided the early inspiration for the spiritual aspects of twelve-step programs.

The following piece by Rev. Shoemaker was published in his church's newletter following Rev. Shoemaker's attendence at the twentieth anniversary convention of A.A. in St. Louis, Missouri (1955). Rev. Shoemaker reflects on four points that the Church must always remember in helping members to live into their own personal Christian experience.

God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise.
God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong... I Corinthians 1:26


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What the Church has to Learn from Alcoholics Anonymous
by Sam Shoemaker

During the weekend of the Fourth of July last, I attended one of the most remarkable conventions I ever expect to attend. It was a gathering in St. Louis of about five thousand members of the movement called Alcoholics Anonymous. The occasion was the celebration of their twentieth anniversary, and the turning over freely and voluntarily of the management and destiny of that great movement by the founders and "old timers" to a board which represents the fellowship as a whole.

As I lived and moved among these men and women for three days, I was moved as I have seldom been moved in my life. It happens that I have watched the unfolding of this movement with more than usual interest, for its real founder and guiding spirit, Bill-, found his initial spiritual answer at Calvary Church in New York, when I was rector there, in 1935. Having met two men unmistakable alcoholics, who had found release from their difficulty, he was moved to seek out the same answer for himself. But he went further. Being of a foraging and inquiring mind, he began to think there was some general law operating here, which could be made to work, not in two men's lives only, but in two thousand or two million. He set to work to find out what it was. He consulted psychiatrists, doctors, clergy, and recovered alcoholics to discover what it was.

The First Alcoholics Anonymous Group
The first actual group was not in New York, but in Akron, Ohio. Bill was spending a weekend there in a hotel. The crowd was moving towards the bar. He was lonely and felt danger assailing him. He consulted the church directory in the hotel lobby, and found the name of a local clergyman and his church. He called him on the telephone and said, "I am an alcoholic down here at the hotel. The going is a little hard just now. Have you anybody you think I might meet and talk to?" He gave him the name of a woman who belonged to one of the great tire manufacturing families. He called her, she invited him out at once and said she had a man she wanted to have meet him while he was on his way, she called Dr. Bob S- and his wife, Anne. Dr. Bob said he'd give her five minutes. He stayed five hours and told Bill, "You're the only man I've ever seen with the answer to alcoholism." They invited Bill over from the hotel to stay at their house. And there was begun, twenty years ago, the first actual Alcoholics Anonymous group.

The number of them now is beyond count. Some say there are 160,000 to 200,000 recovered alcoholics, but nobody knows how many extend beyond this into the fringes of the unknown. They say that each alcoholic holds within the orbit of his problem an average of fourteen persons who are affected by it. This means that conservatively two and a half million people's lives are different because of the existence of Alcoholics Anonymous. There is hardly a city or town or even hamlet now where you cannot find a group, strong and well-knit, or struggling in its infancy. Prof. Austin McCormick, of Berkeley, California, former Commissioner of Correction in the city of New York, who was also with us at the St. Louis Convention said once in my hearing that AA may "prove to be one of the greatest movements of all time." That was years ago. Subsequent facts support his prophecy.

On the Sunday morning of the convention, I was asked to talk to them, together with Fr. Edward Dowling S.J., a wonderful Roman Catholic priest who has done notable service for AA in interpreting it to his people, and Dr. Jim S., a most remarkable colored physician of Washington, on the spiritual aspects of the AA program. They are very generous to non-alcoholics, but I should have preferred that it be a bona fide alcoholic that did the speaking.

In the course of what I said to them, I remarked that I thought it had been wise for AA to confine its activity to alcoholics. But, I added, "I think we may see an effect of AA on medicine, on psychiatry, on correction, on the ever-present problem of human nature; and not least on the Church. AA indirectly derived much of its inspiration from the Church. Now perhaps the time has come for the church to be re-awakened and re-vitalized by those insights and practices found in AA."

The Church ... Re-awakened and Re-vitalized
I think some of you may be a little horrified at this suggestion. I fear you will be saying to yourself, "What have we, who have always been decent people, to learn from a lot of reconstructed drunks?" And perhaps you may thereby reveal to yourself how very far you are from the spirit of Christ and the Gospel, and how very much in need of precisely the kind of check-up that may come to us from AA.

If I need a text for what I say to you, there is one ready to hand in I Corinthians 1:26, "... God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise. God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong." I need not remind you that there is a good deal of sarcasm in that verse; because it must be evident that anything God can use is neither foolish nor weak, and that if we consider ourselves wise and strong, we may need to go to school to those we have called foolish and weak.

1. Recognition of Need
The first thing I think the Church needs to learn from AA is that nobody gets anywhere till he recognizes a clearly-defined need. These people do not come to AA to get made a little better. They do not come because the best people are doing it. They come because they are desperate. They are not ladies and gentlemen looking for a religion, they are utterly desperate men and women in search of redemption without what AA gives, death stares them in the face. With what AA gives them, there is life and hope. There are not a dozen ways, there are not two ways, there is one way; and they find it, or perish. AA's each and all have a definite, desperate need. They have the need, and they are ready to tell somebody what it is if they see the least chance that it can be met.

Is there anything as definite for you or me, who may happen not to be alcoholics? If there is, I am sure that it lies in the realm of our conscious withholding of the truth about ourselves from God and from one another, by pretending that we are already good Christians. Let me here quote a member of AA who has written a most amazing book: his name is Jerome Ellison, and the book is Report to the Creator. In this (p .210) he says,
The relief of being accepted can never be known by one who never thought himself unaccepted. I hear of 'good Christian men and women' belonging to 'fine old church families.' There were no good Christians in the first church, only sinners. Peter never let himself or his hearers forget his betrayal in the hour the cock crew. James, stung by the memory of his years of stubborn resistance, warned the church members: 'Confess your faults to one another.' That was before there were fine old church families. Today, the last place where one can be candid about one's faults is in church. In a bar, yes; in a church, no. I know; I've tried both places.

Let that sting you and me just as it should, and make us miserable with our church Pharisaism till we see it is just as definite and just as hideous as anybody's drunkenness can ever be, and a great deal more really dangerous.

2. Redeemed in Life-Changing Fellowship
The second thing the Church needs to learn from AA is that men are redeemed in a life changing fellowship. AA does not expect to let anybody who comes in stay as he is. They know he is in need and must have help. They live for nothing else but to extend and keep extending that help. Like the Church, they did not begin in glorious Gothic structures, but in houses or caves in the earth, wherever they could get a foot-hold, meet people, and gather. It never occurs to an AA that it is enough for him to sit down and polish his spiritual nails all by himself, or dust off his soul all by himself, or spend a couple of minutes praying each day all by himself. His soul gets kept in order by trying to help other people get their souls in order with the help of God. At once a new person takes his place in this redeeming, life-changing fellowship. He may be changed today, and out working tomorrow - no long, senseless delays about giving away what he has got. He's ready to give the little he has the moment it comes to him. The fellowship that redeemed him will wither and die unless he and others like him get in and keep that fellowship moving and growing by reaching others. Recently I heard an AA say that he could stay away from his Veteran's meeting, his Legion, or his Church, and nobody would notice it. But if he stayed away from his AA meeting, his telephone would begin to ring the next day.

"A life-changing fellowship" sounds like a description of the Church. It is of the ideal Church. But the actual? Not one in a hundred is like this. The laymen say this is the minister's job, and the ministers say it is the evangelist's job, and everybody finds a rationalized excuse for not doing what every Christian ought to be doing, i.e. bringing other people into the redeeming, life-changing fellowship.

3. Definite Personal Dealing with People
The third thing the Church needs to learn from AA is the necessity for definite personal dealing with people. AA's know all the stock excuses - they've used them themselves and heard them a hundred times. All the blame put on someone else - my temperament is different - I've tried it and it doesn't work for me - I'm not really so bad, I just slip a little sometimes. They've heard them all, and know them for the rationalized pack of lies they are. They constitute, taken together, the Gospel of Hell and Failure. I've heard them laboring with one another, now patient as a mother, now savage as a prizefighter, now careful in explanation, now pounding in a heavy personal challenge, but always knowing the desperate need and the sure answer.

Are we in the Church like that? Have you ever been drastically dealt with by anybody? Have you ever dared to be drastic in love with anybody? We are so official, so polite, so ready to accept ourselves and each other at face value. I went for years before ever I met a man that dared get at my real needs, create a situation in which I could be honest with him, and hold me to a specific Christian commitment and decision. One can find kindness and even good advice in the Church. That is not all men need. They need to be helped to face themselves as they really are. The AA people see themselves just as they are. I think many of us in the Church see ourselves as we should like to appear to others, not as we are before God. We need drastic personal dealing and challenge. Who is ready and trained to give it to us? How many of us have ever taken a "fearless moral inventory" of ourselves, and dared make the depth of our need known to any other human being? This gets at the pride which is the hindrance and sticking-point for so many of us, and which, for most of us in the Church, has never even been recognized, let alone faced or dealt with.

4. Necessity for a Real Change of Heart
The fourth thing the Church needs to learn from AA is the necessity for a real change of heart, a true conversion. As we come Sunday after Sunday, year after year, we are supposed to be in a process of transformation. Are we? The AA's are. At each meeting there are people seeking and in conscious need. Everybody is pulling for the people who speak, and looking for more insight and help. They are pushed by their need. They are pulled by the inspiration of others who are growing. They are a society of the "before and after," with a clear line between the old life and the new. This is not the difference between sinfulness and perfection, but it is the difference between accepted wrongdoing and the genuine beginning of a new way of life.

How about us? Again, I quote Jerome Ellison, in his report to God (p .205): "...I began to see that many of the parishioners did not really want to find You, because finding You would change them from their habitual ways, and they did not want to endure the pain of change... For our churchman-like crimes of bland, impenetrable pose, I offer shame..." I suppose that the sheer visibility of the alcoholic problem creates a kind of enforced honesty; but surely if we are exposed again and again to God, to Christ, to the Cross, there - should be a breaking down of our pride and unwillingness to change. We should know by now that this unwillingness, multiplied by thousands and tens of thousands, is what is the matter with the Church, and what keeps it from being what God means it to be on earth. The change must begin somewhere. We know it ought to begin in us.

One of the greatest things the Church should learn from AA is the need people have for an exposure to living Christian experience. In thousands of places, alcoholics (and others) can go and hear recovered alcoholics speak about their experiences and watch the process of new life and outlook take place before their eyes. There you have it, the need and the answer to the need, right before your eyes. They say that their public relations are based, not on promotion, but on attraction. This attraction begins when you see people with problems like your own, hear them speaking freely of the answers they are finding, and realize that such honesty and such change is exactly what you need yourself.

No ordinary service of worship in the Church can possibly do this. We need to supplement what we do now by the establishment of informal companies where people who are spiritually seeking can see how faith takes hold in other lives, how the characteristically Christian experience comes to them. Some churches are doing this, but not nearly enough of them. One I know where on Sunday evenings laymen and women speak simply about what has happened to them spiritually; it is drawing many more by attraction. This needs to be multiplied by the tens of thousands, and the Church itself awakened.

As I looked out over that crowd of five thousand in Kiel Auditorium in St. Louis, I said to myself, "Would that the Church were like this - ordinary men and women with great need who have found a great Answer, and do not hesitate to make it known wherever they can - a trained army of enthusiastic, humble, human workers whose efforts make life a different thing for other people!"

Let us ask God to forgive our blindness and laziness and complacency, and through these re-made people to learn our need for honesty, for conversion, for fellowship and for honest witness!
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Post by _Christopher » Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:38 am

Great article Pete.

I don't know much about AA, but there are certainly some real truths in the comparisons and contrasts given.
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Post by _Paidion » Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:47 am

Pete, have you ever considered the possibility that the disease model of alcholism propogated by A.A. may not be the best description of the condition?

We catch a disease through no choice of our own, and a disease must be treated by one outside ourselves, we bearing no part in the cure except to acquiesce to the treatment. The condition of alcholism, is acquired through our own choice to drink excessively. I recognize that A.A. assumes that a person is born with it. But, if true, the "disease" will never manifest itself unless the person chooses to drink.

A.A. also assumes O.A.A.A. (One alcoholic always alcoholic), and that an alcoholic will never be able to safely drink again. Experience shows to be not necessarily the case.

A former pupil of mine became an alcoholic, and went to A.A. for treatment. He stopped drinking. He also became a disciple of Christ. He continued to attend A.A. meetings, and of course had to declare, "My name is Willy D...... I am an alcoholic".

One day, Willy realized that he had been lying at every A.A. meeting when he declared, "I am an alcoholic." He knew he had to make known the truth. So one day, at the A.A. meeting, he declared, "My name is Willy D...... I am no longer an alcoholic. I have been delivered from alcoholism by the power of Christ!"

Willy knew, of course, that when he witnessed to the truth of his deliverance from alcoholism, he would be kicked out of A.A. .... and he was.

In a booklet entitled Substance Abuse among the Elderly, by Judy Dobbie, I came across a definition of alcoholism to which I personally subscribe. I think this definition more realistically describes the condition of alcoholism.

An "alcoholic" is a person, who, as a result of the abuse of alcohol, is experiencing serious and recurring personal and social problems or health damage, and who, because of these problems would benefit from treatment. However, there is a wide range of personal styles of consumption --- including occasional light drinking and constant heavy drinking --- and the shadings between different levels of consumption are imperceptible. Thus there is no clear line of separation between "hazardous drinking" and "alcholism."


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Post by _dulcimerpete » Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:49 am

Hello Paidion

Thanks for your response. I give thanks to God for Willy’s deliverance. I wonder what Willy meant by this - Did he become a “normal drinker” or did he remain abstinent?

I am not an expert on the subject of alcoholism, nor a spokesperson for Alcoholics Anonymous (and I haven’t stayed in a Holiday Inn Express in many months :D ). Separating my opinion and my experience from fact is, at times, difficult. Especially when dealing with a subject that is so close my heart and important in my life. I’ll try to restrain myself in my reply.

It is a medical fact that there are certain people who do not metabolize ethyl alcohol normally. This biochemical abnormality affects brain function. These facts justify, I believe, the use of the term “disease”.

In the 1930’s Dr. Silkworth suggested that beyond the obvious fault in the thinking of people who chronically “abuse” alcohol, they appear to be “allergic” to alcohol as well – they have an abnormal reaction to it. I am not aware of any modern scientific discovery that has refuted his theory. One of the founding members of AA was treated by Dr. Silkworth and this is where the disease concept of alcoholism came from.

It is true that not everyone who abuses alcohol is an alcoholic. How someone “catches” alcoholism isn’t clear. I don’t know if the inheritance of alcoholism has been established, but I suspect that genetics does play a part. Certainly some experience symptoms of alcoholism when they start drinking (e.g. obsession, craving, blackouts), while others drink normally for years before these symptoms appear. I can think of diseases that may come as a result our choices (e.g. cancer, diabetes, heart disease) and may also come upon people through no choice of their own.

Regardless of whether one is born with it or one acquires it, once this condition is acquired the only hope is a life of abstinence from alcohol. I have witnessed too many alcoholics return to drinking. Their experiences so closely parallel Mat 12:43-45, that I find it convincing. Recently a friend who’d been physically sober for more than 16 years took a drink, and less than a month later he killed himself. You can turn a cucumber into a pickle, but you can’t turn a pickle back into a cucumber … I obviously don’t know Willy, so I will accept your story. My experience is MUCH different. As difficult as it may be to understand, there are heavy drinkers who appear to be alcoholics, but they are not. This, I believe, is what Judy Dobbie means about “no clear line”. Confusing a heavy drinker with an alcoholic can have disastrous consequences. The biochemical lesion remains (and in fact worsens - the person becomes less tolerant to alcohol. Age takes its toll on all physical systems).

Can God deliver a person from alcoholism? AA depends on it!! YES! It happens everyday. This is what AA proposes as it’s program of recovery – a spiritual awakening that brings about recovery from alcoholism. The physician who we go to for treatment is God! This is my understanding. Now let’s assume that I had heart disease, perhaps as the result of poor diet, lack of exercise, a stress-filled life, and a genetic pre-disposition. And let’s also imagine that God heals me of this condition. What would it say about my gratitude to God if I didn’t change my habits?

An alcoholic is a member of AA if they say they are. No one can “kick you out” (no excommunication) without violating the traditions of AA. I’m not saying it didn’t happen, just that it shouldn’t have. Of course, it appears that Willy didn’t consider himself an alcoholic anymore, so maybe he kicked himself out … ?

Stepping down from my soapbox, I humbly apologize ...

Peace,

Pete B
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Post by _Paidion » Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:44 pm

Pete, I am not in any way trying to change your view on alcoholism. I realize that this is an emotional issue for you, and that it is important to you that you cling to the A.A. view. But I wanted to express my own view (along with the definition I quoted), that there is no clear line of distinction between alcoholism and hazardous drinking.

For the record, since Willy was expelled from his local A.A. group, he occasionally takes a drink. Yet, to the best of my knowledge, he has never been drunk since he became a disciple of Christ. So, it seems that he has not only been delivered from the effects of alcoholism (heavy drinking and its attendant problems), but from alcoholism itself.
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Post by _TK » Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:35 am

if alcoholism is a disease, then of course it can be divinely healed. the question of whether the "healing" has a condition..i.e. you can never drink again or the disease will return, is a more difficult issue. jesus healed the lame man but told him to stop sinning or something worse may happen to him. this may or may not have application here.

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