The Nephilim...

Post by **_Blev** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:38 pm

Are the nephilim pre food, the same as the ones in the found post flood? (Nephilim in the days of Noah and aferward, assuming after the flood). I have searched the internet and still can't find a good answer to if the are the same how they reapeared). Or if they are the same thing? And how did they come from Noah?

The information I have found on the internet on these giants seems convincing from both sides, either fallin angels taking the form of humans and reproducing with human women to create these giants or some type of human gene defect that carried on through the genes of the people on Noahs Arc.

Og from Numbers (which seems seems to be bigger than the giants of Goliaths family) to the Goliath family. [/list]

Post by **_mattrose** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 12:31 am

I think the word is synonymous with giants. The potential for 'giants' was present in Adam/Eve and so was potentially still present in the gene pool of the 8 that survived the flood. I don't think we need to involve angels.

Post by **_Blev** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:44 am

Why were they exceptionally mentioned in Genesis? Were they part of major reason God decided to wipe out the wickedness of mankind in the following verses I wonder?

The gene was carried on through the people on Noah's Ark, going through the book of Numbers and to II Samuel, to the decendants of the giants, until David and his kin finally killed all of that genetic/giant race of people?

Post by **_TK** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 9:57 am

there have been some other good discussions here about the nephilim-- one is here: http://www.wvss.com/forumc/viewtopic.php?t=1996

there are others that i could not locate. Rick C can likely point you in the right direction.

TK

Post by **_Blev** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:40 pm

After reading a lot on the subject, and checking out the other post listed by TK, I would have to agree with Mattrose, those giant genes are carried on through genetics, and the genes seem to be carried as a genetic trait, and as evedent in the Old Testament, genes passed on through to certain families, like the Anakin.

Robert Wadlow, 8'11" was recorded in the 20th century. He seemed to be a gentle giant, but I guess it would probably depend on how he was raised. In the Old Ttestament, it was probably more of a survial/ militarily society and to be more war like and aggressive, and raised as such, as oppossed to the civilized life of the American 20th century.

Wadlow died at an early age of 22, and Im guessing the Old Testament Giants werent much older than that before they were killed (due to the health problems and physical crippling effects of being a giant. They probably had a better/pure genetic build up being closer to the original man than we are today, so they could have lived a little longer I would guess).

I would think that this would also explain the small genetic genes that make up the village of the "hobbit" skeletons recently found in the area Austrailia.

Post by **_TK** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:01 am

Blev-

th eonly problem with your comparison of OT giants to more modern giants like Wadlow is that wadlow was a uncoordinated, unhealthy, gangly individual (have you ever seen film of him walking around?). The OT describes the giants as "men of reknown" and indicates they were mighty warriors. i couldnt see wadlow leading any battle charge. he would have been dead before he had a chance to raise a sword.

no, the OT giants, at least as i picture them, were titans who were not only tall, but also muscular (hulkish?) who would have been a formidable foe in battle. if you ever saw the Lord of the Rings, the Uruk-Hai warriors come to mind.

there is nothing to suggest that the giants in the OT were genetically inferior; in fact they may have been so superior that they were a main part of the reason that God decided to flood the earth, as you suggested.

TK

Post by **_JC** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:00 pm

Have you ever watched one of those "World's Strongest Man" competitions on ESPN2? Those guys average about 6'5" and 350 pounds. Stand one of those dudes, full of armor and weaponry, next to an average Jewish guy and you'll see a ferocious giant. I believe the early Canaanites were of that ilk. It would seem most of them were taken out in the early conquests, probably to show God's might against that of man.

Post by **_TK** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:47 pm

weren't some of the OT giants noted to have more than 20 digits?

TK

Post by **_Paidion** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:30 pm

Have you ever watched one of those "World's Strongest Man" competitions on ESPN2? Those guys average about 6'5" and 350 pounds. Stand one of those dudes, full of armor and weaponry, next to an average Jewish guy and you'll see a ferocious giant. I believe the early Canaanites were of that ilk. It would seem most of them were taken out in the early conquests, probably to show God's might against that of man.

Hmmmmm.... let's see. How tall was Goliath?

1 Samuel 17:4 And there came out from the camp of the Philistines a champion named Goliath, of Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span.

A cubit is about a foot and a half. A span is four inches.

6 X 1.5 = 9

According to this verse Goliath was 9 ft. 4. in.

The "World's strongest men" would be shrimps in comparison!

Post by **_TK** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 2:25 pm

somewhere else on this forum a while back people were disputing about how tall Goliath actually was- for some reason people were saying that he wasnt much more that 6ft tall- but i cant remember why. i know that the hebrews probably werent huge guys, but would they really consider someone 6'5" to be a giant? plus his spear shaft was as big as a weaver's beam, whatever that is. sounds big though. i still say the giants were great big powerful guys (i.e. more than 8 ft tall).

TK