Messy Situation

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Messy Situation

Post by __id_2574 » Sat Feb 02, 2008 11:13 am

We’ve watched in excitement over the last few months as a woman in the community has been slowly drawn to Jesus. In fact, just last week she expressed a desire to get baptized … a huge step of faith in this mostly Buddhist/Taoist nation.

Here’s the rub. We recently found out that the man she lives with now – and who fathered her ten year old son – is not her husband. He is apparently still legally married to another woman. (No divorce.) Our friend and this man are so settled in life together that his parents live in the same house they do … which happens to be in her name. One more thing – the man has recently begun an affair with yet another woman.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated! :) How should we approach this situation? Where do we start untangling things? Do we need to have more information? What should we counsel her to do?

Thanks for any thoughts you might have about this.

By His Grace,

Gregg
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Post by __id_2417 » Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:03 pm

Dear Gregg and Eva –
What is the woman asking for? Does she see her situation as messy? If he is in adultery, he may be on the way out the door anyway. If you convince her to merely get rid of him, the work will not be done in her heart.

Are you concerned that she has her life in order before you baptize her? I know we have Baptism classes today, but did John the Baptist? He just dunked them and they had to account to God for their lifestyles. In the Biblical accounts, people were baptized on the spot, and they had sin and odd situations then, just like we do.

What is the Lord telling her? Your relationship with her is more important than that you tell her the right things to do. My first Christian contacts were all important in the untangling of my life. I was into the occult, and some men came and told me I had to burn my books, and when they pointed to some books that belonged to the owner of our house, I knew they were not speaking from the Lord. I felt humiliated and alienated from their fellowship and never went to it after that. Then a woman came by and brought me the scriptures about the occult, and we discussed what it was. It is not just books. She gave me the dignity of showing that she trusted that God would speak to me about what to do. Months later I dealt with the books and I did not look back. Merely obeying another’s standard would not have done the inner work that was essential. Each person has to hear from God himself or herself.

I have many young friends with horrendous marriage situations and I have had to learn that we do not untangle things – the Lord working in her will do it. We can be ready to help when they ask for it, or, when He gives a word that we are sure is from Him. We are so horrified by situations that are ‘outside the box’ that we want to fix it – and we cannot.

I was also ‘living in sin’ when I came to the Lord, and on drugs. On looking back, I am glad I was isolated in the mountains so I could just read my Bible and consider for a few months the new life that lay ahead. Then in the Spring, I went to a meeting and they were baptizing new believers. When they were all through, they looked around and said, “anyone else?” I stepped into the water. I knew that my living situation had to conform to Biblical standards and in time, it all worked out.

We have a son who was legally married to a woman who hated him and lived with another man when he came to the Lord and met a Christian woman who seemed made for him. We had to sit back and watch it untangle itself. His pastor fostered relationship with him and finally His divorce came through after years of battle. Now he and the Christian woman are married and have a child. It has forced us to consider what the Lord considers marriage to be. Before we come to live in Him, it is at times not much more than legalized fornication, or a security blanket for people who are not committed to relationship and ready to die for one another. Some would say I am liberal, but I think not. I want to be biblical.

Best regards, Jepne
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Post by __id_2574 » Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:21 pm

Jepne,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience! You raise some very important points ... things we'll defnitely need to include in our thinking.

Bless you!

Gregg
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Post by _PAULESPINO » Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:50 am

Matthew 3:7-10
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from lthe wrath to come? 8 Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, 9 and do not think to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones. 10 And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees.

These jews does not have intentions to change they just want to get baptize thinking that it will add to their holiness, by the way they are not holy they think they are holy but they really are hypocrites.

I believe the woman mentioned by Gregg has the intention to change that is why she want to get baptize. I agree with what you said Jepne that the apostles did not interrogate those who wants to get baptize. They explained the gospel and asked them to repent from all kinds of sin. But with the woman's situation it is very difficult for her to kick the man out because he is the father of her son.

In my opinion go ahead with the baptism and continue with prayers that God will help this woman to correct her situation with her husband.
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Post by __id_2417 » Sun Feb 03, 2008 2:08 pm

Yes, it seems that in a sense she is married to the man. Not to be 'loosey-goosey' about moral living, but in the child's eyes she is married; he is 'Daddy', and ten years is a lot of 'becoming one' in the Biblical sense.

Churches I have been in are full of these kinds of problems. Sure helps to remind what you've been saved from. God is so good!

My best to you all.

I read the whole thread on controversial topics and it was so good. What a joy to partake of your fellowship! Jepne
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Post by _MLH » Sun Feb 03, 2008 6:02 pm

I remember many years ago when I got saved. I was living with
my boyfriend ( now husband) and did not realize yet that living
together was a sin. I was eager to please my LORD but didn't
have all the ways of the christian life down. The Holy Spirit
convicted me ( cant remember time frame) but not so long after
and I was eager to let my boyfriend know of my salvation
and desire to follow on to know the Lord, Jesus. So, we continued
to live in the same house but we did not sleep together until we
were married about a month later. The preacher who led me to
the Lord must have done alot of praying! :D

I was raised in a very liberal home and never even saw a bible until
I was about 27 yrs old.
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Post by __id_2574 » Sun Feb 03, 2008 7:46 pm

So good to get all your input! It sure helps to hear your thoughts on this. (The personal experiences you shared are invaluable.) We want to act in the Spirit of Jesus in this situation, and your posts are forming a kind of "safety net" for us.

Thanks again!

Gregg
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