Or is it just that most Christians are evil, mean, hateful persons who long to see people punished in hell. Pray for us; perhaps we can become as good as you.
"Why do you call me good, there is no one good except God."
Hope as a legitimate reason to believe UR
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Interestingly enough. it depends entirely on the translation you are using.Regarding your on-going ad hominem ad nauseam you might consider that it is possible for a candid person to read scripture and get the idea that EP or CI are clearly taught therin. Or is it just that most Christians are evil, mean, hateful persons who long to see people punished in hell. Pray for us; perhaps we can become as good as you.
maybe we should ask this question to a candid person:
If mommy tells little joey not to eat the cookies out of the cookie jar and little joey does. What should mommy do?
1) give joey a time out
2) give joey a spanking
3) ground joey in his room for 2 hours
4) whip joey with a belt
5) start up the oven and throw joey in.
A little Extreme but may be you get my point.
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PhilMan,
Nope, didn't get your point at all. Sad to see that you have no clue regarding the seriousness of sin.
Perhaps you can tell us a story about little Joey and his mommy that explains how Adam's one sin brought death to all men and then another to explain why Jesus had to suffer on the cross. That should be interesting.
Nope, didn't get your point at all. Sad to see that you have no clue regarding the seriousness of sin.
Perhaps you can tell us a story about little Joey and his mommy that explains how Adam's one sin brought death to all men and then another to explain why Jesus had to suffer on the cross. That should be interesting.
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Sin is Sin. Sin/Sinner cannot be in the presence of God for He is Holy.
Jesus made reconciliation to a Holy God Possible.
The Penalty for sin is what I am getting at.
As for the seriousness of sin. Don't think that my illustration makes light of sin. But the fact remains. make no mistake. something as simple as eating that fruit way back in the beginning has a cosmic consequence that neither you nor I can fathom.
The above illustration takes this to the extreme when orthodox theology comes head to head with the average joe or jane who asks this questions.
If an individuals sins once as in "illustration above" and they die the next day. do they deserve to burn forever.
the candid answer: yes
the candid person:
i am not trying to be ignorant. maybe you can give me an explanation for E.T justification for the "one sin" example that I can share with my atheist and non believing friends. I have failed thus far!
furthermore, I hope my tone doesn't come across to confrontational. its because I am frustrated when confronted with these issues from some atheists individuals that I am friends with. I am undecided on these topics for obvious reasons.
your challenges are well said and much needed.
Sin is Sin. Sin/Sinner cannot be in the presence of God for He is Holy.
Jesus made reconciliation to a Holy God Possible.
The Penalty for sin is what I am getting at.
As for the seriousness of sin. Don't think that my illustration makes light of sin. But the fact remains. make no mistake. something as simple as eating that fruit way back in the beginning has a cosmic consequence that neither you nor I can fathom.
The above illustration takes this to the extreme when orthodox theology comes head to head with the average joe or jane who asks this questions.
If an individuals sins once as in "illustration above" and they die the next day. do they deserve to burn forever.
the candid answer: yes
the candid person:
i am not trying to be ignorant. maybe you can give me an explanation for E.T justification for the "one sin" example that I can share with my atheist and non believing friends. I have failed thus far!
furthermore, I hope my tone doesn't come across to confrontational. its because I am frustrated when confronted with these issues from some atheists individuals that I am friends with. I am undecided on these topics for obvious reasons.
your challenges are well said and much needed.
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Philman- in what respect do you prefer the term "responsibility?" I am not clear what you mean.
Thx, TK
Thx, TK
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"Were not our hearts burning within us? (Lk 24:32)
Good one Phil Man! Indeed, God does not shirk from His responsibility!
Even His Law declares His thoughts on this matter of responsibility. Consider, for example, His declaration that the person who digs the hole is responsible for the ox that falls into it. Or the person who biulds a porch for putting a railing around it to protect others from falling.
Could God have built a fence so high around the garden of eden to keep the serpent out of it, and from tempting Eve? Of course, He could have. But, he didn't. He therefore takes responsibility for the humans falling into the "pit"! He will make it right!
No doubt about it!@
peace, dmatic
Even His Law declares His thoughts on this matter of responsibility. Consider, for example, His declaration that the person who digs the hole is responsible for the ox that falls into it. Or the person who biulds a porch for putting a railing around it to protect others from falling.
Could God have built a fence so high around the garden of eden to keep the serpent out of it, and from tempting Eve? Of course, He could have. But, he didn't. He therefore takes responsibility for the humans falling into the "pit"! He will make it right!
No doubt about it!@
peace, dmatic
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dmatic,
This is news to me. Could you show from scripture where God was at fault? I have been under the impression it was the fault of Eve, who was deceived, Adam, who sinned with His eyes wide open, and the serpent. Is God at fault for giving the command? When He issues a command is He responsible for ensuring that we obey and at fault when we do not?He therefore takes responsibility for the humans falling into the "pit"!
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