Letter from Dr. Frank Logsdon Editor of NASV

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Post by _Super Sola Scriptura » Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:37 pm

Well it would take books to enumerate all the reasons and proof the KJV is God's Providentially preserved Word in the Engish language, and many have been written to show just that.

I can only give summary reasons, but I see something very funny here. Notice you said:
I was asking about the inspiration and infallablility of the translation KJV. Not the bible. Of course I believe it is inspired.

Can you please identify WHAT it is that you call the "Bible" and WHERE this inspired book is--you believe it "is" inspired--present tense. Where is this book you place your faith in?


Here are four reasons

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Post by _Derek » Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:16 pm

Here are four reasons
All of which explain why it is the best translation, not one that explains why I should believe it is inspired.

I am already convinced that it's a good translation. I use it myself. It's my main bible.
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Post by _Super Sola Scriptura » Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:37 pm

So, do you have chapter and verse for the idea that no translation can be inspired?

And if the KJV is not the inspired Word of God, what is???

The inability to answer this simple, fundmental question is troubling.

What is your final authority in all matters of faith and practice???
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Post by _Derek » Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:39 pm

Last time...

If you will not answer my question, I will assume you don't have an answer, and choose to remain willfully ignorant as to why it is that this translation is inspired, or you do not wish to discuss the matter. Either way, not very fertile ground there for discussion

You just keep ignoring it for some reason and asking more questions.
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Post by _kaufmannphillips » Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:03 pm

Hello, everybody,

Well, my "Molotov Cocktail" earlier sure fizzled flat. Only one response (Thank you, TK)!

So - the question of the hour is whether or not a translation can be inspired. Very interesting question. Can't say, myself, why it could not be inspired. What it can't be, however, is fully equivalent to the original - at least, so far as an English translation goes. Simple linguistic mechanics make it impossible for an English translation to fully render the Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek texts. Subtleties and wordplay are inevitably lost, inasmuch as there are no English equivalents to carry them across. So again - if people truly believe these documents constitute the very word of God, should they not bother to learn how to read them? Those who cling to any English translation are removed from the ancient landmarks.

To be pointed, SSS - if you have been willing to devote so much in the way of time and material resources into researching the KJV, have you spent a comparable amount of time studying the languages of the earliest/original texts?

Shalom,
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Post by _Super Sola Scriptura » Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:04 pm

Because you want to argue in cirlces and play games, it seems. You cannot even tell me WHAT the "Bible" is, nor WHERE I can get one! And you claim this THING you call a "Bible" is the inspired Word of God! But you want me to explain why I think the KJV is inspired? I don't THINK it is, I have KNOWN for 22 years it is. God's Word IS inspired, and if you cannot reason out for yourself that an accurate translation of the right Greek and Hebrew textx by default makes the translation as inspired and the original text in reflects, then the problem is yours. Inspiration IS NOT limited to Hebrew and Greek or the Original autographs only. The Word of God is not bound. The timing of the KJV appearance and the fruit that has followed it leads any humble observer to acknowledge the truth for what it is--that it is God's book, and men have been attacking it from within and from without--the Devil hates that book. Thats all the proof I need, but I have a ton more.

How many books on this would you be willing to read?
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Post by _Jim » Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:41 am

KJV only hmmm. I do enjoy the kjv but I also enjoy other versions. I personally enjoy using e-swords and comparing verse by verse many diffrent translations at the same time. KJV may have verses that get the meaning then again KJV also misses on verses were other versions get the meaning of a verse better or misses the meaning as the kjv. Comparing is the best from my view point.

In Christ
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Post by _Derek » Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:23 am

Super Sola Scriptura wrote:Because you want to argue in cirlces and play games, it seems. You cannot even tell me WHAT the "Bible" is, nor WHERE I can get one! And you claim this THING you call a "Bible" is the inspired Word of God! But you want me to explain why I think the KJV is inspired? I don't THINK it is, I have KNOWN for 22 years it is. God's Word IS inspired, and if you cannot reason out for yourself that an accurate translation of the right Greek and Hebrew textx by default makes the translation as inspired and the original text in reflects, then the problem is yours. Inspiration IS NOT limited to Hebrew and Greek or the Original autographs only. The Word of God is not bound. The timing of the KJV appearance and the fruit that has followed it leads any humble observer to acknowledge the truth for what it is--that it is God's book, and men have been attacking it from within and from without--the Devil hates that book. Thats all the proof I need, but I have a ton more.

How many books on this would you be willing to read?
Nevermind bro.

God bless,
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Post by _kaufmannphillips » Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:14 am

Hello, SSS,

I'm not entirely sure if you have intentionally responded to my earlier points or not. However, you have written:
if you cannot reason out for yourself that an accurate translation of the right Greek and Hebrew textx by default makes the translation as inspired and the original text in reflects, then the problem is yours. Inspiration IS NOT limited to Hebrew and Greek or the Original autographs only. The Word of God is not bound.
Have you studied the original texts and their languages, SSS? If you have, then you should be aware that there is no such thing as a fully accurate translation into English - there are only more accurate and less accurate translations. Regardless of whether or not the KJV is an inspired English translation, why would someone not put out the effort to come one major step closer to understanding the original revelations themselves?

I can suggest one obvious answer: sloth.

Once one has acquired an understanding of the biblical languages, then they will be in a better position to responsibly assess the translative merits of the KJV. And until they have bothered to do so, I for one am inclined to discount the weight of their fundamentally naive opinion.

As for the "bound" nature of the Word of God - was the Word "bound" prior to the publication of the KJV? During all the years when only its predecessors existed? During all the years when the Latin Vulgate reigned supreme? During all the years before and since when peoples of a thousand tongues lacked a translation of the bible into their own languages? What do you think the Word of God is, anyway? If your answer is "the bible," you think too small, and you think too little about a God who would leave millions of his creatures estranged and bound by historical and linguistic happenstance.

Thanks for your attention!

Shalom,
Emmet
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Post by _Homer » Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:43 am

SSS,

I'm wondering if you have ever read King James' instructions to the translaters of the KJV wherin he forbade them from translating certain words (baptizo, ecclesia, et al) into English so that readers could understand their meaning. Did the Holy Spirit inspire him to obscure the meaning of certain words, important words at that?

It would seem odd to me that the Holy Spirit would want the Greeks to have a clearer text than us English speaking folks!
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