Take a look at this interview from Hannity & Colmes regarding the Amish killings. unfortunately, these are the types of "christians" that the populace usually see on TV. Lord help us. TK
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,217975,00.html
The damage done by "christians"
The damage done by "christians"
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"Were not our hearts burning within us? (Lk 24:32)
It's a shame that Hannity & Colmes do not understand this woman's theological presuppositions, which she states several times in the interview. She is a consistent Calvinist. She repeatedly says, "Who is it that controls the minds of men?" She means that God does, and that He controlled the killer of the Amish girls, meaning God ordained their deaths.
She reasons from this starting point that the girls deserved death and God was punishing them, their families and the State of Pennsylvania through this act. She clearly assumes the following: "If something happened, it was the will of God. If it was the will of God, it must have been appropriate." Where her logic breaks down is that she does not reason similarly: "If some people are homosexuals, it is the will of God. If it is the will of God, then it must be appropriate."
This is a good example of where Calvinism must lead, unless it is followed inconsistently.
She reasons from this starting point that the girls deserved death and God was punishing them, their families and the State of Pennsylvania through this act. She clearly assumes the following: "If something happened, it was the will of God. If it was the will of God, it must have been appropriate." Where her logic breaks down is that she does not reason similarly: "If some people are homosexuals, it is the will of God. If it is the will of God, then it must be appropriate."
This is a good example of where Calvinism must lead, unless it is followed inconsistently.
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In Jesus,
Steve
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Steve,
If you have a moment, how might you conduct an interview with this lady if you were going to have her on your show?
Thank you,
livingink
If you have a moment, how might you conduct an interview with this lady if you were going to have her on your show?
Thank you,
livingink
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I don't know. Since I have few guests on my program, I don't know that I would invite her. However, I would have no problem dialoging with her in public or on the air. The only problem is, I know she would be unreachable, since she is an authoritarian cultist, who "knows" she is right and all who disagree with her are wrong. I feel it might be a waste of time.
If she was someone who had public credibility, I might invite her anyway, just for the benefit of listeners who might be taken in by her and who would benefit from hearing her ideas refuted. But I actually doubt that one person in a million thinks she has anything to say worth listening to. She has been featured on Hannity and Colmes more than once—not because anyone thinks she has anything of value to say, but because she is a freak show, and audiences like to see how crazy religion can make people (it helps the average unbeliever to justify his unbelief).
But to answer your question more directly, if I found myself in a confrontation with her, I would do the same thing as I would with any religious wacko who claims to be Christian: I would present the Jesus of scripture to her, and challenge her to adjust her thinking and behavior so as to come into conformity with His ways. I know of nothing else that could be done for her.
If she was someone who had public credibility, I might invite her anyway, just for the benefit of listeners who might be taken in by her and who would benefit from hearing her ideas refuted. But I actually doubt that one person in a million thinks she has anything to say worth listening to. She has been featured on Hannity and Colmes more than once—not because anyone thinks she has anything of value to say, but because she is a freak show, and audiences like to see how crazy religion can make people (it helps the average unbeliever to justify his unbelief).
But to answer your question more directly, if I found myself in a confrontation with her, I would do the same thing as I would with any religious wacko who claims to be Christian: I would present the Jesus of scripture to her, and challenge her to adjust her thinking and behavior so as to come into conformity with His ways. I know of nothing else that could be done for her.
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In Jesus,
Steve
Steve
Don't Interview them
I would recommend not interviewing anyone associated with Fred Phelps’ church, which is basically just his extended family. Their message is one of hate not of Christ. Calvinism is the least of the problems at the Westboro Baptist Church. His daughters are lawyers who understand the freedom of speech loopholes very well. For a very small church they are well funded. One can only speculate where they get their funding and none of the possibilities are good ones. They get a lot of press in Kansas, I spent 40 years there. Even though the press is bad they seem to crave it.
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I was once very close to the whole Amish arena, and I can say that some of the Amish do tend to huddle and create their own form of righteousness.
However, those little girls were completely innocent. I knew several of the girls' families, and the experience in surely not unheard of. It happens quite often, but we just don't hear about it, the press coverage in some rural areas isn't that great. We do need to pray. And I think it is admirable that the Amish community is supporting the killer's widow.
However, those little girls were completely innocent. I knew several of the girls' families, and the experience in surely not unheard of. It happens quite often, but we just don't hear about it, the press coverage in some rural areas isn't that great. We do need to pray. And I think it is admirable that the Amish community is supporting the killer's widow.
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Agape,
loaves
"And when he had taken the five loaves and the two fishes, he looked up to heaven, and blessed, and brake the loaves...And they did all eat, and were filled" (Mark 6:41-42)
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"And when he had taken the five loaves and the two fishes, he looked up to heaven, and blessed, and brake the loaves...And they did all eat, and were filled" (Mark 6:41-42)
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Hi Loaves,
I'm not quite following you here:
I'm not quite following you here:
What happens quite often?However, those little girls were completely innocent. I knew several of the girls' families, and the experience in surely not unheard of. It happens quite often, but we just don't hear about it, the press coverage in some rural areas isn't that great. We do need to pray. And I think it is admirable that the Amish community is supporting the killer's widow.
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