Young earth vs. ancient earth- where do you stand?

Post by **_Derek** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:43 pm

TK wrote:yeah-- i'm sure derek knows i'm just kidding around.

this topic is very interesting to me, although i am not a super-expert in either view. i have waffled back and forth for years.

for some reason i like topics such as this- probably because of the science aspects.

they just found (or think they found) evidence of liquid water on Mars.

what if they find algae or bacteria as well?

TK

Yeah I know you're just kidding bro.

That would be interesting for sure if they found life on Mars for sure.

God bless,

Post by **_TK** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:32 am

I guess if they find life on mars then we can no longer deny the possibility of intelligent life elsewhere, which raises all sorts of theological issues.

which brings up a sort of a side issue-- did adam's sin affect the whole universe, or just the earth?

TK

Post by **_MoGrace2u** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:34 am

TK wrote:I guess if they find life on mars then we can no longer deny the possibility of intelligent life elsewhere, which raises all sorts of theological issues.

which brings up a sort of a side issue-- did adam's sin affect the whole universe, or just the earth?

I think that where ever men are then sin would be a contaminating factor.

Post by **_Seth** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:57 pm

TK wrote:which brings up a sort of a side issue-- did adam's sin affect the whole universe, or just the earth?

Ever read C.S. Lewis' Space Trilogy? It puts an interesting spin on this question. Particularly Perelandra, which just happens to be on my Favorite 10 Books of all time list (which now contains approximately 25 books...there's at least 10 books between 1 and 2 - hat tip to the 70 weeks' Gap).

Anyhow...well worth reading. Well...the third one is hard reading. The other two are awesome though.

As for me, I think when Adam fell, *man* fell. I don't see any connection between his fall and Nature falling.

Post by **_TK** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:15 pm

hey seth-

funny you should mention the CS lewis space trilogy-- i am about 1/2 way through a re-read of the 1st book (out of the silent planet). i think you mentioned these books elsewhere on the forum not long ago and it spurred me to pick them up again. it's been 20 years.

i'll have to read it with an eye toward this discussion.

thx, TK

Post by **_MoGrace2u** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 12:18 am

Seth wrote: ...As for me, I think when Adam fell, *man* fell. I don't see any connection between his fall and Nature falling.

Except that God cursed the ground Adam would have to till as a result.

Post by **_Derek** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:15 pm

Hi all,

I guess if they find life on mars then we can no longer deny the possibility of intelligent life elsewhere, which raises all sorts of theological issues.

I listened to a great show with Hugh Ross, on Apologetics.com about the whole "life on Mars" thing. It was really good. I am going to get some of his books. One on UFO's seems especially interesting. He pretty much in a few sentences on this show, debunks the idea that UFO's have ever come here. Very cool.

You can listen HERE

I would also recommend the website/radioshow http://www.apologetics.com to everyone interested in Apologetics. I just recently started listening and it's a great show.

God bless!

Post by **_TK** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:23 pm

i have heard or read Hugh's comments regarding us being visited by intelligent life from elsewhere, and i pretty much agree. that being said, it doesnt mean that life, and possibly intelligent life, isnt out there somewhere.

TK

Post by **_Derek** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:03 pm

TK wrote:i have heard or read Hugh's comments regarding us being visited by intelligent life from elsewhere, and i pretty much agree. that being said, it doesnt mean that life, and possibly intelligent life, isnt out there somewhere.

TK

No, only that it's impossible for us to know about it.

God bless,

Post by **_TK** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:39 pm

No, only that it's impossible for us to know about it.

hmm-- you may be right-- i'll have to listen to the discussion you linked to to hear mr ross's position on this-- i cant recall his exact points but i have heard/read them some time ago.

i presume he says that the distances are too great, you couldnt store enough fuel, the civilization couldnt be old enough to be advanced technologically, etc. but maybe if some civilization learns to travel at warp factor 9 or fold space or use wormholes and stuff like that, it would be possible. i am only half kidding.

i guess my point is that if we find some sort of life, even microbes, on mars, or one of saturn's moons, etc then we certainly couldnt rule out that more advanced life forms are out there. it might even make it extremely probable. why wouldnt it? in other words, if God created microbes on mars, why not intelligent life on the 5th earth-like planet of the star epsilon 9? (i made up that name).

i realize this is all conjecture, but if they DO find life on mars, we will have to deal with it theologically.

TK