The Message Bible

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Post by _schoel » Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:13 am

Just wondering what you guys thought about the Message Bible.
Do you feel it is a good thing to help people who do not normally read the Bible, get started reading the Bible?
Do you think it gives more mature believers a new found freshness of God's Word.
Or
Do you think it should not be used at all?
Yes, the Message is a less than perfect translation and a favorite whipping boy of many (along with the NIV).

However, I think its important to remember that the Body of Christ has many people who are at different stages in their journey with Christ and who may have differing levels of comprehension. Paraphrase translations may provide easy access to the Message of the Gospel for such as these.

We must be careful to understand that a believer's authenticity in following Christ is not based on how good their translation of the Bible is. It is the Holy Spirit that leads us into truth and He is capable of overcoming the issues in any translation. We risk undue division and an attitude of elitism if we mount the anti-Message soapbox with too much dogmatic vehemence.

This is not to change your personal opinion regarding the Message, but to show that God can and does use it to draw people to Himself.

I would recommend the Message like I would any other translation - with the understanding that NO translation is perfect but to encourage trust in the Holy Spirit for guidance.

Dave
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Post by _Steve » Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:35 am

My problems with The Message are not limited to my objections to paraphrases in general. I like to read paraphrases (though I would never recommend that anybody use one for their primary Bible). An insightful paraphrase is like listenening to a good exposition. The question is whether The Message is even a good paraphrase.

Now here I am speaking from limited exposure. I was given a lovely, leather-bound copy of this book as a gift, when it was still a new version. I wanted to like it, but everywhere I read in it made me feel nauseated, so I threw it away (something I have done with no other version). I might have been hasty, and I suppose it would be good to have one on my shelf now. I think I tossed it because I thought its renderings were so absurd that it would never pass into general usage in the church.

Psalm 1:1 and other Pslams were among the first parts that I read. Immediately, I had the following impressions:

1) If it was intended to be a modern paraphrase to reach today's youth, it not only failed to speak in the language of today's youth, but it sounded ridiculous in the attempt. Do young people really talk about "saloons" and making "trips to the woodshed" (Ps.6:1-2)? It sounded like an old man's lame attempts to sound contemporary, though he had little idea what "contemporary" communication sounds like. It is an embarrassment.

2) In addition to being an embarrassment, it seemed as though the author was himself embarrassed about many of the politically-incorrect truths in the Bible (as per the examples cited by Homer, above).

3) While some may find it reads easier than, say, the NASB or the KJV, it does not seem to make any advances in readability over many existing translations and paraphrases, which stick more closely to the meaning of the original, and which maintain a modicum of dignity (e.g., the NIV, the New Living Translation, the Philip's Translation [paraphrase], etc.)

4) I don't know Eugene Peterson (the writer of The Message), nor his motives, but it was hard for me to look at his product without getting the profound impression that it, like so many other new versions of the Bible, was just another commercial venture intended to sell to the ever-restless Bible-reading public, who change favorite translations so frequently that they never become sufficiently familiar with the wording of any. It simply filled an imaginary gap in the literature, not a real gap.

5) I would recommend any other paraphrase I have ever seen before I would recommend The Message. When I meet someone who uses it as their main Bible, I cringe inside, knowing the degree of biblical illiteracy that this choice exhibits, and which it is guaranteed to perpetuate.
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Post by _Derek » Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:35 pm

Yes, the Message is a less than perfect translation and a favorite whipping boy of many (along with the NIV).
If a paraphrase is what someone is looking for, I think that the NIV is the best choice. It was my first bible, and I still refer to and enjoy reading it. I think you miss out on some renderings, but it is far, far superior to the Message. And if it's too hard to understand, then the Message won't be any easier.

Compare the NIV rendering of Ps. 1:1 with the Message (above post)

1 Blessed is the man
who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked
or stand in the way of sinners
or sit in the seat of mockers.


Pretty clear. And no "Sin Saloons" or "Smart-Mouth Colleges" in sight!

God bless,
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Post by __id_1092 » Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:18 pm

i read it sometimes, because it occasionally does make me chuckle.
"...thank God for prime rib..."
Romans 14:6
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Post by _STEVE7150 » Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:15 pm

5) I would recommend any other paraphrase I have ever seen before I would recommend The Message. When I meet someone who uses it as their main Bible, I cringe inside, knowing the degree of biblical illiteracy that this choice exhibits, and which it is guaranteed to perpetuate.

If i remember correctly the Christian singer Rebecca St James said she loves it. :cry:
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Post by _TK » Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:58 pm

rick w quotes from it extensively in the Purpose Driven Life. spare me.

TK
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Post by _Mort_Coyle » Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:33 am

I have a copy of The Message around, but I don't care much for it. Every now and then, if I want to know how Eugene Peterson would say something, I'll check The Message. On the other hand, I know of some believers who have been very blessed by it, particularly those who are less literate.

Personally, I much prefer "Da Jesus Book" in Hawaiian Pidgin English: http://www.pidginbible.org/index.htm
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Post by __id_1364 » Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:32 pm

I threw mine away
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