A clear and consistent biblical response to Mr Gregg.

Post by **_Super Sola Scriptura** » Wed May 02, 2007 11:28 am

Again, more fiction. There is no hatred, anger,, rancor and whatever else you wish to falsely ascribe to me. There is bold confrontation and exposing the deeds of darkness. Of course you won't appreciate that, being on your end of things, but your fabrications are not reality just because you say so. What I have said and documented MANY OTHERS have said.

Post by **__id_1437** » Wed May 02, 2007 11:36 am

Super Sola Scriptura wrote:What I have said and documented MANY OTHERS have said.

I see, so you say it, others say it=documentation.

I leave you to it. We were having decent discussions here until you came in here bombthrowing. I have better things to do than go back and forth with you. If this is what is acceptable on this forum, I have better things to do.

Good day

Post by **_Super Sola Scriptura** » Wed May 02, 2007 11:44 am

Yes, if i and others testify to seeing and hearing the same behavior, it is far more likely that my story is true, than yours. Toodles.

Post by **_Steve** » Wed May 02, 2007 12:03 pm

I just got on and found all the recent activity on this thread. Super Sola Scriptura, I appreciate your advice and your position. However, It is not our desire here to attack other teachers' character. If a teacher is known to be an unrepentant adulterer or a proven criminal, it is one thing. Such objective things can be documented and the body of Christ should be warned about them.

However, it is another to speak of someone's arrogance or lying, because the first may only be our perception of a man's style, and the second may be a misunderstanding.

I have not listened to James White's debates. I have heard most of his responses to me (I have not yet had time to hear his most recent), and I did not find him to be more arrogant than many of the brothers I have encountered. He may only be adamant. God alone can judge whether he is arrogant.

I did feel that he misrepresents my beliefs, but I would never suggest that he is intentionally doing so, so I cannot accuse him of lying. He assumes certain things about my beliefs, as I have apparently assumed some things about his.

In any case, you should realize that your comments sound very accusatory and do not, in my judgment, help you to win your brethren who disagree with you. Remember 2 Timothy 2:24-26. This forum has generally been known for its reasonable tone on all sides. I like that about it. This recent exchange is not, I believe, what most of us here desire to read.

I am not saying I disagree with you, since I am not as familiar as you are with the subject. However, it gets us nowhere if we take on the tone of those that we claim our opponents exhibit.

God bless.

Post by **_Super Sola Scriptura** » Wed May 02, 2007 1:42 pm

Steve:

I was expecting a gentle rebuke from you, seeing you are a patient kind man, and really restrain yourself well when under some forum pressure, so to speak. I will "chill" if that is what you desire. Also, I do not expect to win the, forgive me, cronies he sends over to other forums to goad or to prop himself up(I have seen this before). I don't expect to win THEM, but to protect the general population from their deception. If all it was, was simply a doctrinal dispute, that would be one thing, but the tactics I have observed firsthand are notorious. Anyway, we'll see how you feel about things AFTER debates, and/or reading more of his blogs about you and your position. I've got your back.

The tone is the apologetics for his views is that anyone who disagrees with his doctrine is stupid, and then he tries to "prove" it. That is simply unChristlike.

Also, I want to let you know he is not this big great Greek and hebrew scholar. It is very easy to verify if he is appealing to the Greek and hebrew to overthrow the plain English. When someone constantly has to "go to the Greek', in my 24 years of obervation, more than just 'verifying" is going on--changing what the text says is what's going on. An appeal to the Greek or Hebrew usually backfires for a Calvinist.

God bless.

Post by **_Homer** » Wed May 02, 2007 3:52 pm

As was James White when I asked, over and over, where non-elect infants that die go?

Hey, that's an easy one. The Calvinist N. L. Rice, in a debate with Alexander Campbell, circa 1840, was pressed by Campbell on that very issue. When cornered, Rice stated that all babies that die go to heaven because they are elect. God does not allow non-elect babies to die. Campbell replied with astonishment that we have a class of immortal infants, the non-elect!

And Rice was renowned as a brilliant Calvinist. Oh well.

Post by **_Derek** » Wed May 02, 2007 4:34 pm

On another note, are there no standards here for what someone can say? Clearly this man's open hostility is evidence enough of why he is not welcome in our chat, is it not?

I am only a regular contributer to this forum, and not a moderator or anything like that, but please allow me to say that this is not the normal tone of this forum. I am sure I speak for most everyone here when I say that your views, whatever they are, are welcome here, and will for the most part, not be met with such hostility.

SSS said:

If James wants to debate no holds barred, he can come right here. We can start with his "born again before faith" heresy he holds to.

We are not in a wrestling match here brother!

We cannot help but learn from each other if we remain civil, let us remember Paul's words:

2Ti 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
2Ti 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
2Ti 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

You may say that you are not going to remain civil because they don't. Well, so what if they don't? (I am not saying that they aren't remaining civil, it has been nice having Calvinists around if you ask me!). Name calling and flinging accusations will only make your position look weak. Every time.

Let's say that worst case scenario, our Calvinist brothers are not in the truth, and are even taken captive by Satan, Paul says to be gentle, and not to strive, to be patient, showing the fruit of the Holy Spirit and glorifying God with our dialogue.

gentle...don't strive...patient....etc. These are good things!

God bless,

Post by **_TK** » Wed May 02, 2007 5:00 pm

i agree derek-- it was rather painful reading the last several posts.

what's the big deal anyway? arent non-calvinists who are christ's disciples part of the Kingdom? the same for calvinists? what in the world does it matter, other than for exercising our intellects?

i really and truly dont understand all the vitriol. both sides cant be exactly right, but oh well. no use ripping each other to shreds.

TK

Post by **_PAULESPINO** » Wed May 02, 2007 5:49 pm

I think there are different reasons a person will disagree in a certain doctrine and these are the ff:

1) The doctrine is false.

2) They do not understand the doctrine.

3) Pride is in his heart. Not willing to accept his mistakes.

You are welcome to add other reasons.

Post by **_Derek** » Wed May 02, 2007 5:59 pm

what's the big deal anyway? arent non-calvinists who are christ's disciples part of the Kingdom? the same for calvinists? what in the world does it matter, other than for exercising our intellects?

Well, I think it's a good bit more important than "exercising our intellects", but there is no need for all the venom, for sure.