A clear and consistent biblical response to Mr Gregg.

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Also, I want to let you know he is not this big great Greek and hebrew scholar. It is very easy to verify if he is appealing to the Greek and hebrew to overthrow the plain English. When someone constantly has to "go to the Greek', in my 24 years of obervation, more than just 'verifying" is going on--changing what the text says is what's going on. An appeal to the Greek or Hebrew usually backfires for a Calvinist.

God bless.

I would be very interested to know if what you just said is true. Would you be willing to open a new thread and discuss there an incident where he did that? That is, could you point to a specific incident--whether a blog entry, article, radio broadcast, or debate--and explain how his Greek argument is just overthrowing the plain English? And explain how I can conclude that his Greek argument isn't right, and that he isn't pointing out a case where inaccurate translation is leading people astray?

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I understand WHY you boys are giving this advice, but I say you will sing a different tune soon. On another thread Robin said:

I think Mr. White does himself no favors by debating Steve without Steve being present. This is exactly what Mr. white is doing on his show. It seems rather cowardly to me. I personal want to see this debate happen, but in the mean time Mr. White is getting in every cheap shot he can.

Thank you,
Robin

Exactly what I have been saying, and warning about. These tactics are typical, and I'm telling you it will get worse. You'll understand LATER why I said what I said, and you'll see why the Bible also says this:

1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may
be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the
gainsayers.
1:10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially
they of the circumcision:
1:11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses,
teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake.
1:12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians
are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

When you run into those in the church who are like the above, you must deal with them they way Paul said. I think some of us could not handle the Apostle Paul in our midst. He turned people over to Satan so they would learn not to blaspheme. John Calvin would not be welcome in Paul's churches until he recanted. Just re-read the above so you see that there is a place for what I have been saying, warning about, and my plainness of speech. I have told THE TRUTH. I am sorry its so negative, but that is not my fault. Robin is catching on.

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1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may
be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the
gainsayers.
1:10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially
they of the circumcision:
1:11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses,
teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake.
1:12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians
are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

When you run into those in the church who are like the above, you must deal with them they way Paul said. I think some of us could not handle the Apostle Paul in our midst. He turned people over to Satan so they would learn not to blaspheme. John Calvin would not be welcome in Paul's churches until he recanted. Just re-read the above so you see that there is a place for what I have been saying, warning about, and my plainness of speech. I have told THE TRUTH. I am sorry its so negative, but that is not my fault. Robin is catching on.

Are you accusing James White, of being "unruly and a "vain talker" and a "deceiver". Is he teaching false doctrine "for filthy lucre’s sake"?

These men are our brothers, and they should be treated as such. Your accusations are, in my opinion, way out of line. Hopefully you will be moderated before you completely ruin what has been an otherwise civil exchange of ideas.

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His mistreatment and defaming of Dave Hunt, Norman Geisler, Dan Corner, Theodore Letis, Ergun Caner and others should cause you pause. Apparently you don't have the stomach for this. I know James White has been unruly(who does he answer to?)a vain talker, he teaches false doctrine, but has also attacked other brethren, and seems to enjoy mocking Arminians and using dirty tactics. If you hold such a man in high regard, you could never be and elder in a local church, for one of the requirements is that he is a lover of GOOD men, see Titus One for that also.

And you miss the point. Paul had no problem calling people lazy, evil, liars who were professing to be teachers within local churches. And he said, if I may paraphrase into today's lingo--to blast them. You have a problem with the Bible, not me Derek. Anyway, I had said I was going to drop it, and then you and another wants to continue. If I am challenged as to why I said what I said, I will answer.

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Perhaps the following article, "Mediating the War Between Calvinists and Arminians", would be of help to both sides:

http://www.stone-campbelljournal.com/ar ... eature.htm

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I know James White has been unruly(who does he answer to?)a vain talker, he teaches false doctrine, but has also attacked other brethren, and seems to enjoy mocking Arminians and using dirty tactics.

Uh, yeah. So why did you guys get ahold of me? At this point I am embarrassed that I passed this on to Dr. White.

I'm done here until someone can get a handle on this. I really expected more.

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Are you accusing James White, of being "unruly and a "vain talker" and a "deceiver". Is he teaching false doctrine "for filthy lucre’s sake"?

These men are our brothers, and they should be treated as such. Your accusations are, in my opinion, way out of line. Hopefully you will be moderated before you completely ruin what has been an otherwise civil exchange of ideas.

Derek, I appreciate your words here, and it is something I would urge all on the board to consider. I would also suspect that a vast majority of the people who post on this board would agree with you on this point.

Remember 1 John 4:20. If I don't love my Calvinist brother but say I love God I am a liar.

I am a non-Calvinist, and I disagree with the Calvinists. However, I should treat the Calvinists the way I would want to be treated if it turns out that they are right and I am wrong.

[Guest]

Remember 1 John 4:20. If I don't love my Calvinist brother but say I love God I am a liar.

Amen!

[Guest]

Open rebuke is better than secret love is what Proverbs says.

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I know James White has been unruly(who does he answer to?)a vain talker, he teaches false doctrine, but has also attacked other brethren, and seems to enjoy mocking Arminians and using dirty tactics.

Uh, yeah. So why did you guys get ahold of me? At this point I am embarrassed that I passed this on to Dr. White.

I'm done here until someone can get a handle on this. I really expected more.

I'm not sure what you mean. Because someone ("Super Sola Scriptura") has voiced his opinion you are embarrassed? This shouldn't be about anything other than James White and Steve Gregg eventually getting to debate the issues (as well as us discussing those issues here). At the same time, we can't be so thin skinned about what "Super Sola Scriptura" or anyone else's opinion might be. I don't think James White is that thin skinned.