"monergism" and "synergism"

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It's simple, though I think this forum treated my "pet" topic with perhaps one of the highest degrees of respect, the thread was nonetheless closed. So, partly in a minor form of protest, and partly because of time considerations I post far less here.

I humbly submit the topic for which I am well known ranks in the top 5 of important issues for the church, but I suppose we will wait until disaster is upon us before we recognize that.

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You preach a gospel that centres upon "those that choose" and not upon what "Jesus" actually did for the "many".

Proverbs 1:20 Wisdom calls aloud outside; She raises her voice in the open squares. 21 She cries out in the chief concourses, At the openings of the gates in the city She speaks her words: 22 "How long, you simple ones, will you love simplicity? For scorners delight in their scorning, And fools hate knowledge. 23 Turn at my rebuke; Surely I will pour out my spirit on you; I will make my words known to you. 24 Because I have called and you refused, I have stretched out my hand and no one regarded, 25 Because you disdained all my counsel, And would have none of my rebuke, 26 I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your terror comes, 27 When your terror comes like a storm, And your destruction comes like a whirlwind, When distress and anguish come upon you. 28 "Then they will call on me, but I will not answer; They will seek me diligently, but they will not find me. 29 Because they hated knowledge And did not choose the fear of the Lord, 30 They would have none of my counsel And despised my every rebuke. 31 Therefore they shall eat the fruit of their own way, And be filled to the full with their own fancies. 32 For the turning away of the simple will slay them, And the complacency of fools will destroy them; 33 But whoever listens to me will dwell safely, And will be secure, without fear of evil."

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Yes, and that blessed wisdom declares in that High Priestly prayer,

Joh 17:1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the time has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
Joh 17:2 just as You have given Him authority over all flesh, so that He will give eternal life to all You have given Him.
Joh 17:3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.
Joh 17:4 I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do.
Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify Me alongside Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
Joh 17:6 I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You have given them to Me, and they have kept Your word.
Joh 17:7 Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You.
Joh 17:8 Because I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and they knew truly that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me.
Joh 17:9 I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours.

Mark

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And how on earth does John 17:4 make any semblance of sense in an Open Theist view?

Joh 17:4 I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do.

Mark

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Indeed.

32 For the turning away of the simple will slay them, And the complacency of fools will destroy them; 33 But whoever listens to me will dwell safely, And will be secure, without fear of evil."

Mark

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Mark,

One thing that appears to be established is that God "called" and "stretched out his hand" promising a "safe dwelling", "security", and "freedom from the fear of evil" to people who respond by "refusing" his call, "not regarding" his out-stretched hand, "disdaining" his counsel, and "resisting" his rebuke. These people hate knowledge, do not choose the fear of the Lord, won't recieve His counsel, and despise His every rebuke. Thus, if God predetermined the fate of the reprobate to hell, why is he calling them, outstretching his hand and promising safe dwelling, security, and freedom from the fear of evil through the voice of Wisdom?

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Mark,

One thing that appears to be established is that God "called" and "stretched out his hand" promising a "safe dwelling", "security", and "freedom from the fear of evil" to people who respond by "refusing" his call, "not regarding" his out-stretched hand, "disdaining" his counsel, and "resisting" his rebuke.


These people hate knowledge, do not choose the fear of the Lord, won't receive His counsel, and despise His every rebuke.

Thus, if God predetermined the fate of the reprobate to hell, why is he calling them, outstretching his hand and promising safe dwelling, security, and freedom from the fear of evil through the voice of Wisdom?

Because God not only offers an outward call to all that hear, but goes further and provides salvation for all whom He has decided to call and regenerate.

The means to all, becomes the same means for the elect.

This is what Scripture teaches.

For example, Jesus plainly calls the elect, those who He has called and the means is decidedly not found in the person.

Joh 10:26 But you did not believe "because" you are not of My sheep.

Joh 10:28 And I give to them eternal life, and they shall never ever perish, and not anyone shall pluck them out of My hand.

Joh 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him.

Unless you come to see an Outward and Inner call of the gospel, you shall continue to misrepresent the call of the gospel....What we both agree is established in the outer call, is only half of the truth!

Mark

Many are called but few are chosen is what the Bible teaches, and the few are the called of God who shall believe and never perish.....
Praise the Lord for this....

PROVE TO ME THAT THERE ARE NOT TWO ASPECTS TO THE GENERAL CALL OF THE GOSPEL?





........WAITING?






Mark

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I hope no one objects. I just deleted the last ten or so posts by Tartanarmy, and have just banned him from the forum. We have standards here, and they have been communicated to him repeatedly. Apparently, he does not care to stay. Too bad, too, because I had just asked him some questions on another thread. I guess he'll have to answer them on his own message board.

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Thanks, that was kind of... frightening.

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I think those who post here have been very patient with the man, and have exhibited Christ-like attitudes in your responses.

Steve has been patient, reprimanding him and warning him many times. I
think he has been given every opportunity to conduct himself in a respectful and Christ-like manner. But he did not change.

There is a proverb that might be somewhat applicable:

Proverbs 29:1 He that, being often reproved, stiffeneth his neck shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.