Moyers: Hagee, CUFI, and an interview

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Would you be interested in discussing specific topics from Moyers?

Just saw your post Rick. Good point. Sorry for going off track. I'll cease and desist on the Israel vs. Palestine stuff in this thread.

Me too. Although, it really felt good to not have something like, "LIES, LIES, LIES. You are a satanic messenger." as a response to a few of my posts.

Blessings,
Lazarus43

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Danny, Laz, et al,

Well, I sort of took an "aside" on the ESA Letter, etc., which was more related to the thread's poll. I mean, I'm not a Mod or anything, bless your hearts!

But since FBFF does have lots of readers who may not post; we have an opportunity to offer an examination of Hagee, CUFI, and/or dispensationalism in general to them....and might learn a little something along the way ourselves.

I'm re-listening to Moyers (from an mp3) and am more of a "hearing or reading learner" which is nice since my computer won't let me watch anything, lol

Just now I can't recall what really "struck" me as new or a different perspective/angle from Moyers. It was from the interview with Weber and Lerner. Actually, several things "hit" me new-like; ideas that could be used in apologetics with dispensationalists or people who are just examining the alternate views of eschatology.

When I first saw this program, Scriptures were running through my mind left & right as they spoke...I want to look them up and talk about them. So I'll post a quote or two soon for discussion (or any of y'all can if ya wanna)

I'm also re-listening to Mark Hitchcock, a dispensationalist who I heard in Paltalk Messenger on Converse With Scholars (and I got to ask him a question but can't remember if it's on there, lol). His topic was "Iran and the Middle Eastern Crisis" and was relative to Moyers' presentation.
FYI link: http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/cws/home
(then click View Page for this session).

Not a Mod, not mad, not particular, just interested in pursuing some particulars...in particular, haha
Rick

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In theory, this is true. In reality, it is far from true.

Here's just one recent example, a report from the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs - Integrated Regional Information Networks (IRIN). The report is entitled "Israeli settlements in Hebron make life nearly impossible, Palestinians say


I think this is extremely unfortunate and tragic. However until recently Israel was subject to suicide bombings on a regular basis , they were subject to indiscriminate shelling from Hezbollah who targeted civilians, they are currently subject to indiscriminate shellings from Hamas. Hamas recently aired shows depicting kindergarden kids being taught to be suicide bombers. Israel is surrounded by countries that want to annhilate it therefore considering how difficult it is just to survive they may overreact sometimes but to undereact may be much worse for them.
I'm wondering that if Israel is biblically no different then any other country at this point why do we critique this country so much compared to say muslim countries like Lybia,Saudi Arabia etc?

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The largest population of Jews in any Muslim nation is in Iran. Unless something has recently changed, they are protected.

The Jews who came from foreign lands and drove indigenous people out to make room for themselves in what is now called "Israel" are the ones who are really disliked.

Israel was voted into existence by the United Nations in 1948 and shortly thereafter six arab countries attacked it for the purpose of eliminating it. Somehow with no tanks or airforce Israel won and has survived several other wars against arab neighbors. I was'nt there in 1948 but what i was told was that the arab attacking armies told arabs living in Israel in 1948 that if they remained they would be killed also and because of this many left.
As far a jewish community in Iran my educated guess is that it is very discreet and getting smaller and smaller and having an Iranian leader who publically calls for the extermination of Israel and has military parades depicting Israel being blown up , would to say the least make me feel unwelcome if i lived there.
As far as getting quotes from individual people , you can find virtually any quote nowadays through the internet backing up any position. For example several Rabbis recently agreed with the Iranian president that perhaps the holocaust never happened.

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Hey Steve,

Perhaps we should start a new thread on this topic?

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Hey Steve,

Perhaps we should start a new thread on this topic?


I'll leave it up to you Danny, if you start the thread i'll participate.

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Discussions on that particular topic tend to become long, vitriolic and ultimately tedious. Maybe we should just let it rest.

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Discussions on that particular topic tend to become long, vitriolic and ultimately tedious. Maybe we should just let it rest.


OK, actually i prefer straight bible topics a whole lot more.

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I've noticed...any thread that has to do with modern-day Israel tends to meander to all kinds of sub-topics.

So, I may just start another thread to "comment on" Moyers: Hagee and CUFI,
Rick

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Danny wrote

Discussions on that particular topic tend to become long, vitriolic and ultimately tedious. Maybe we should just let it rest.

I agree with you Danny and it’s not my desire to resurrect a discussion on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. I want to provide a link to a video that will provide some insight into the Palestinian psyche. This documentary was done by a British journalist. His intention was to document the life of Palestinian children and Jewish children. He never got around to shooting footage of the Jewish children. On the last day of shooting in Gaza he was shot and killed by an Israeli soldier. As a result, much of the documentary is raw footage, since he never had a chance to edit the film.

I don’t know about everyone else but I find, being in Christian circles, that I’m bombarded with information about the plight of the Jewish Israeli’s. It’s harder to find out what the Palestinians are facing. I don’t want to diminish nor ignore the very difficult circumstances that Jewish Israeli’s face everyday. On the other hand, in the absence of information (in Christian circles) about the difficulties of the Palestinians I wanted to provide this video for any who would like to watch. There is indeed a very human element to both sides of the conflict.

Death in Gaza: Part 1

Death in Gaza: Part 2